Best TCP Software

[Kernel]

Wow... I never expected such a lively discussion on this - fantastic!  I'll definitely take a look at RoadShow.

[Sir_Lucas]

@Kernel
You definitely should try Roadshow. I'm sure, you won't regret it

[Lurch]

Nice to see positive discussion about good Amiga software which is also at a good price.

[kolla]

Everybody likes to point out that Miami is slow, nobody care to ask why. Holger wanted to bring networking on Amiga further, he even had a bit of a plan on how to do this, optimizing for sana2 was not his focus, sana2 falls short quickly in modern scenaries, so he developed MNI as a suggestion as a path forward. However, his dreadfully slow tcp-stack that noone really should want to use, was heavily pirated. And he, like so many with him, thought of Amiga as a "market" rather than what it is, so he got delusioned and angry, and left Miami behind. Miami could have been awesome, it could have been the standard TCP stack for Amiga. But no, because, delusions.

[kolla]

Because Roadshow was intended to ship as part of the next AmigaOS update, say 2001-2002. It is a part of AmigaOS4. I did not want to go the same route as AmiTCP or Miami. The TCP/IP stack should be integrated into the operating system and become practically invisible.

But on any platform you would use Roadshow 68k on, it clearly is not part of the OS, and that much is obvious! The least you could do is to give the user options, to carpet bomb sys: with files and directories, or a more conservative approach.

The default installation puts Roadshow on the boot partition, along with a short script which is called from "S:User-Startup". But, as these things are, you can put the Roadshow components wherever you believe they should go. There are no hard-coded paths, except for the icon default tools.

Of course, and I had to manually move things after the initial jaw dropping experience.

Also, I did my best to make the Roadshow installer script not only put the files where they are, you can also uninstall all of them again with the installer. The only thing that is not as easily uninstalled is the addition to the S:User-Startup script.

Noone expect that to work, hehe.

[kolla]

Yes, I have. Repeating it here

That said, I have been working on an update for a while which I have not yet released. It's mostly small bug fixes for now. Because my A600HD test machine croaked I will have to test the recent changes to Roadshow on WinUAE, I suppose

Question is if "winuaenet.device" works on a plain emulated 68000 system. If I remember correctly, "a2065.device" does not work on a plain 68000 system, so I cannot go the route of having WinUAE emulate the hardware.

I use Roadshow a little with MIST and Minimig, null-modem cable with RPi, or wirelessly over bluetooth to Linux or OSX and it works ok.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Because my A600HD test machine croaked I will have to test the recent changes to Roadshow on WinUAE, I suppose

Somebody get this man a classic system, stat!  

[mechy]

Okay, okay.  Bust my balls already, I was just trying to say "it's not slow like 2400 baud modem slow", hence the liberal sprinkling of quotation marks in my comment.  But I guess maybe to you guys it does seem that slow.  Perhaps I need to work on my euphamisms a bit.    ....  And often there can be other bottlenecks - like Ibrowse taking longer to render a web page than it does for Miami + my network card to load it.  But then again, it does make a difference what you do with your system - are there really that many people transferring whole movies to their Amiga?    I would definitely be interested to learn the name of Amiga backup software that works over a network connection?  

Yeah yeah, TL;DR.  I gotta try Roadshow one of these days.  In the meantime here's a screenshot of another method of setting the clock via NTP with Miami:

NTPSync

Hah hah dont take it as an attack, it wasn't meant that way, seriously though, On a zorro2 bottleneck machine you are not likely to see much difference, but with gfx and 100Mbit zorro 3 it is noticeable. Ibrowse again is pretty snappy on 060 especially with javascript off, but as you say,we are in sad times browser wise with the changes.

svdc movies do work on amiga, so yea some of us crazy people do that. I could almost play a divx movie under os4 on the csppc using mplayer iirc?, it would likely work if i had stachu tune it up to say 360mhz+ but i dont have the cash. vcd/svcd works under 060 reasonably well.

As for amiga backup software, you don't need any really, just do a copy all clone and back up the whole deal send the file whereever you want it, worst case lha it i guess.

Ntpsync is great, i used it for years.

[pVC]

are there really that many people transferring whole movies to their Amiga?  

You're just picking one example from the several I gave. And I didn't say whole movies, they may be clips too. Some lower quality MPEG-1 videos run fine on highend Amigas too. I know you're picking up this one too, but I also ran FTP server on Amiga for years, and users did up/download movies too. But I know, nobody does it anymore, but just one another example of usage cases because you don't seem to have imagination enough

I would definitely be interested to learn the name of Amiga backup software that works over a network connection?  

Backup software doesn't need to do that, you may transfer the result of backup with any protocol you want (FTP is common). Many users don't have USB on their Amigas and they don't like to connect backup HDs etc, transferring the backup over net is a good solution to get is safe. You may also mount the source/destination Amiga drives and use any backup solution to copy the result directly to other machine.

[paul1981]

But on any platform you would use Roadshow 68k on, it clearly is not part of the OS, and that much is obvious! The least you could do is to give the user options, to carpet bomb sys: with files and directories, or a more conservative approach.



Of course, and I had to manually move things after the initial jaw dropping experience.



Noone expect that to work, hehe.

I think you're blowing it out of all proportion here. There really isn't that many files, seriously. They're not scattered here there and everywhere either.
I'm very strict upon which installs scripts I allow to run on my Amiga, and I have no problem at all with Roadshow in this regard.

[itix]

I guess you could use multiassigns to have RS files on their own directory.

[kolla]

I think you're blowing it out of all proportion here. There really isn't that many files, seriously. They're not scattered here there and everywhere either.
I'm very strict upon which installs scripts I allow to run on my Amiga, and I have no problem at all with Roadshow in this regard.

Well, but you are not me

One thing is for sure, AmigaOS directory structures do not make much sense anymore :laughing:

[Sir_Lucas]

Well, but you are not me

One thing is for sure, AmigaOS directory structures do not make much sense anymore :laughing:

Well, we're not You are correct.
Have you tried Expert user instead of Novice user while installation in order to avoid intrusion?
For me, personally, Novice user is the most difficult

[kolla]

Well, we're not You are correct.
Have you tried Expert user instead of Novice user while installation in order to avoid intrusion?
For me, personally, Novice user is the most difficult

Yes, I always use expert, I don't even think of it, it's a reflex

Anyways, that is the only issue I had with Roadshow, it works really well.

[mrmoonlight]

In my opinion it has to be some thing simple to install and is consistently reliable and that has to be the install in seconds ROADSHOW which is one of the best things I ever bought.

[Gulliver]

Amiga´s pipe dream:

http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lwip/