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[matthey]

Support? Has Olsen given any signs that he intends to support it further?

Olaf "Olsen" Barthel is an active user of this forum.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=897

His last activity is today which is a pretty good sign. He has supported the Amiga for decades which is also a pretty good sign. The Amiga is not his primary job so he can be busy at times but he is as helpful and professional as he can be considering the current Amiga situation. Classic Amiga development and support is more of a hobby and labor of love these days than anything else .

[Thorham]

Use MiamiDX if you want something that's EASY and powerful (is slower than AmiTcp and Roadshow, though).

I use AmiTcp 3. Annoying to set up and no DHCP, but faster than MiamiDX (A1200 PCMCIA network) and free (full version on Aminet). Unfortunately some programs want AmiTcp 4 compatibility (the one thing I needed I could recompile with AmiTcp 3 SDK unaltered, might be luck).

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Everybody talking about speed, you know, Miami isn't that slow.  I'm sure if you run a speedtest it'll score lower than Roadshow and the others, but in terms of actual, "real-world" use, on my A2000 with X-Surf 100 and basic 100Mbps connection I can download just about any file on Aminet in a second.  And when browsing the web, Ibrowse takes longer to render the page than it does to download it.  So it's not like Miami's really "that slow", haha.  

[kolla]

Olaf "Olsen" Barthel is an active user of this forum.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=897

His last activity is today which is a pretty good sign. He has supported the Amiga for decades which is also a pretty good sign. The Amiga is not his primary job so he can be busy at times but he is as helpful and professional as he can be considering the current Amiga situation. Classic Amiga development and support is more of a hobby and labor of love these days than anything else .

Yeah, but look at Roadshow, it took like 10 years for him to "wrap it up" and get it out. And he has other projects too, like CygnusEd. And Term, hehe. And gtlayout.library. At least there are some sources for those available, though perhaps not the latest.

[agami]

I've been using AmiTCP 4.x since the '90s. Initially for dial-up and then for Ethernet on my local LAN. I'm very familiar with it os I keep using it (if it ain'y broke). But I do agree that it is not suited to those that only know a little about networking and/or Amiga OS.

I've never heard of Roadshow. I must look into.

[pVC]

Everybody talking about speed, you know, Miami isn't that slow.  I'm sure if you run a speedtest it'll score lower than Roadshow and the others, but in terms of actual, "real-world" use, on my A2000 with X-Surf 100 and basic 100Mbps connection I can download just about any file on Aminet in a second.  And when browsing the web, Ibrowse takes longer to render the page than it does to download it.  So it's not like Miami's really "that slow", haha.  

In certain use it really is very slow compared to others and that fact can't be skipped when telling general information about the stacks. We don't know what kind of use readers will want to do.

When using web it might not be that noticeable, but if you want to transfer files for example with FTP in higher speeds, there really is the difference. Speeds can be twice as much on the other stacks than in Miami in real world use, and that really matters.

You can't generalize that everyone would just want to download few small files from the Aminet. Some might want to make whole backups of their Amiga through the net or move any other big files around. I've for example always moved mp3 files, ISO images, software archives, small movies, etc on the Amiga. It would have especially been a real bottle neck to use Miami when Amiga was my daily computer, and even still would.

For example here is couple real world speed tests between different stacks. A bit old, but shows how it was before Roadshow etc times, and still apply between the old stacks. FTP/HTTP test and smbfs test.

[olsen]

Yeah, but look at Roadshow, it took like 10 years for him to "wrap it up" and get it out.

I would have preferred to have Roadshow available much earlier (say 2001-2002), but then the whole Amiga market took a dive, along with all the companies which I had been doing business with before. I won't go into the cruel details of trying to get a GUI developed for Roadshow...

On the positive side, the "slight delay" allowed for Roadshow to mature.

And he has other projects too, like CygnusEd. And Term, hehe. And gtlayout.library. At least there are some sources for those available, though perhaps not the latest.

Other projects not listed here take up a lot of time, too

[olsen]

I recently installed RoadShow demo, and boy was it intrusive! It only left som documents in the drawer I appointed it to, and installed everything all over sys: :eek:

I mean - assigns, path - why not use them!

Because Roadshow was intended to ship as part of the next AmigaOS update, say 2001-2002. It is a part of AmigaOS4. I did not want to go the same route as AmiTCP or Miami. The TCP/IP stack should be integrated into the operating system and become practically invisible.

The default installation puts Roadshow on the boot partition, along with a short script which is called from "S:User-Startup". But, as these things are, you can put the Roadshow components wherever you believe they should go. There are no hard-coded paths, except for the icon default tools.

Also, I did my best to make the Roadshow installer script not only put the files where they are, you can also uninstall all of them again with the installer. The only thing that is not as easily uninstalled is the addition to the S:User-Startup script.

[olsen]

Support? Has Olsen given any signs that he intends to support it further?

Yes, I have. Repeating it here

That said, I have been working on an update for a while which I have not yet released. It's mostly small bug fixes for now. Because my A600HD test machine croaked I will have to test the recent changes to Roadshow on WinUAE, I suppose

Question is if "winuaenet.device" works on a plain emulated 68000 system. If I remember correctly, "a2065.device" does not work on a plain 68000 system, so I cannot go the route of having WinUAE emulate the hardware.

[Dandy]

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The default installation puts Roadshow on the boot partition, along with a short script which is called from "S:User-Startup".
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This reminds me of something I always use with MiamiDX:
Getting the actual date and time from the web and updating the system clock with it...

There once was a small tool available on Aminet for MiamiDX, that automatically retrieved the actual date and time from time servers on the web.
This only worked with MiamiDX - I have no idea if there is a comparable solution available for one of the other stacks.

I need this feature, as I removed the battery from my A4k mobo.
MiamiDX is started upon each boot (WB-Startup) and once it is online, the little tool from aminet makes it connect with a web based time server to get the actual date and time and then sets the systems date and time accordingly, if sytem date & time differ too much from that.

Up to now I never heard of comparable solutions for other stacks.

[pVC]

This reminds me of something I always use with MiamiDX:
Getting the actual date and time from the web and updating the system clock with it...

There once was a small tool available on Aminet for MiamiDX, that automatically retrieved the actual date and time from time servers on the web.
This only worked with MiamiDX - I have no idea if there is a comparable solution available for one of the other stacks.

I need this feature, as I removed the battery from my A4k mobo.
MiamiDX is started upon each boot (WB-Startup) and once it is online, the little tool from aminet makes it connect with a web based time server to get the actual date and time and then sets the systems date and time accordingly, if sytem date & time differ too much from that.

Up to now I never heard of comparable solutions for other stacks.

FACTS has been commonly used and suggested in every discussion in past (almost) 20 years It syncs with NTP.

I myself have just used the built-in time sync option in Genesis/Miami which syncs the clock with UDP Time protocol (ok to use to sync from other computers in LAN).

[zipper]

I did use besides FACTS some (atomic.)rexx script that set the time from atomic servers.

[mechy]

Everybody talking about speed, you know, Miami isn't that slow.  I'm sure if you run a speedtest it'll score lower than Roadshow and the others, but in terms of actual, "real-world" use, on my A2000 with X-Surf 100 and basic 100Mbps connection I can download just about any file on Aminet in a second.  And when browsing the web, Ibrowse takes longer to render the page than it does to download it.  So it's not like Miami's really "that slow", haha.  

No miami is slow.. its like saying zorro2 isnt much slower than zorro3.. its night and day  lol

That being said i love the miami gui also,since it was so handy to setup many interfaces and such for testing multiple eithernet cards. I use roadshow exclusively now though.
After all i badgered poor olsen for what seemed like a year to release Roadshow way back when.

[Sir_Lucas]

@mechy
Same as me. I've been a long time user of Miami and MiamiDX. The GUI interface is really great.
Never been much of a fan of AmiTCP/Genesis, though.
As soon as Roadshow appeard I decided to give it a go and I must admit that ever since I've been using it exclusively as well. It's really great!!

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

No miami is slow.. its like saying zorro2 isnt much slower than zorro3.. its night and day  lol

Okay, okay.  Bust my balls already, I was just trying to say "it's not slow like 2400 baud modem slow", hence the liberal sprinkling of quotation marks in my comment.  But I guess maybe to you guys it does seem that slow.  Perhaps I need to work on my euphamisms a bit.    ....  And often there can be other bottlenecks - like Ibrowse taking longer to render a web page than it does for Miami + my network card to load it.  But then again, it does make a difference what you do with your system - are there really that many people transferring whole movies to their Amiga?    I would definitely be interested to learn the name of Amiga backup software that works over a network connection?  

Yeah yeah, TL;DR.  I gotta try Roadshow one of these days.  In the meantime here's a screenshot of another method of setting the clock via NTP with Miami:

NTPSync

[Kernel]

Wow... I never expected such a lively discussion on this - fantastic!  I'll definitely take a look at RoadShow.