I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

[Targhan]

I agree with cecilia.  It's the armchair developer, artists, and composers that are the heros.

[QuikSanz]

@Targhan,

Me too. I was on a somewhat voyeristic tangent.

[IonDeluxe]

IF Genesi somehow came into possession of AmigaOS (but they seem to hope for a position to sublicense it), then you call their hypothetical sales restriction of AmigaOS to only Pegasoses "tyranny"?

No, I call forcing Hyperion and eyetech to use pegasos tyranny when they have other hardware available.Especially when Hyperion owns AOS4.

The rest of what you have said is opinion so I will agree to disagree.

[iamaboringperson]

Targhan wrote:
I agree with cecilia.  It's the armchair developer, artists, and composers that are the heros.

And the bedroom computer game progremmer nerds.

[IonDeluxe]

@plaz
I agree with much of what you have said there, a couple things to note are:
AOS is supposed to be hardware agnostic once they reach AOS5.0 which means it will run on the pegasos and x86 alike, however it will be native to the AmigaOne(or whatever its called if we get that far) and as such will have a performance advantage on it.
The current hardware, bot A1 and pegasos is nothing special in my view, never has been, but it IS new harware for the Amiga community, it IS a huge step forward from what we had in many respects, and I am sure it will move forward quickly if things go well to be competative with current technologies.
I have no problems with Genesi, the product they produce is quite good, and they have many talented and honourable people employed/developing for them. My problem is only with the CEO.

[Damion]

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@IonMane

Furthermore, the contract cannot be "voided" by a judge
until another party (read: Bill Buck) brings it to the court.

Wait just a minute, you are the one that said BB is going
to void the contract himself, not me. And anyway that sounds
ludicrous, I could bring rocks to the judge all day long, and
nothing would be 'voided'...i.e there has to be something which
meets the requirements of 'voiding' in the first place.

Nothing I have said ishypothisisit is what Bill Buck himself has said.

You said:

No, he wants the only choice to be his boards his way and to
call his machines Amiga's for free.

and

Once that it done he want s to force both of them to use his
hardware,

I must have overlooked something, becasue I can not find
where BB states he wishes to call anything "Amigas", although
there are hints pertaining to AOS being made to run on *the
Pegasos*.

Also, I cannot find any reference to BB wanting to "force"
OS4 not to run on anything which is resold by Eyetech, only
that their (Eyetech and Hyperion's) written agreements with
A-INC are void, due to the contentions within Genesi's (or
rather Thendic's) own contract with A-INC, which predate
both those with Eyetech/Hyperion and A-INC (so obviously, new
negotiations would be  necessary, and I don't see how that's an
astonishing revelation).

Aside from all that, your statement about "forcing them to use
his hardware" is somewhat silly, as if Hyperion specifically
*wants* to code 'exclusively' for the Teron, becasue it's just that
terrific?!?

get with the program bud.

As for the rest, you are simply not up to date.

You are obviously not up to date with this discussion.

Do you have any links to share? Which, by the way, is the
"preferred" method to educate someone on the subject
matter (as opposed to your above three comments).

[lempkee]

by rayt on 2004/2/26 17:34:18

Quote:


Cool what's the release date..? /me warms up his Blizzard.



It was end of 2003 for the free version of Morphos. It think it was meant as some "christmas present to the community" if I remember correctly.

So bbrv if youre reading, release morphos for classic ppc like you promised and there might be a few less amiga users that cant stand you.

just to put it like this , i dont belive there is an ready to release morphos for classic, their pegasos mos is ofcourse the one prioritized and i have full understanding for that, same goes for os4 for classic too.

anyway genesi complains about how slow hyperion are to make os4 , but then if you look under the bonnet then u will see that morphos is infact a huge lag aswell.

if morphos ever comes for classic (except for the 0.4/0.x) well thenit will be the only one i will ever use since i am pro os4 and i keep beeing a red troll and i certainly aint shocked or stunned about whats happening at moobunny atm (kemp vs genesi , nowee , coyote flux and the many others who where fooled into a trap or tried to be anyway , this is just the stuff i expected from a guy like bill buck, a car salesman!)

[bloodline]

[T_Bone]

@ Plaz

7. Truth is I will buy OS4 to support Hyperion, then probably put it on a shelf because I don't like the MB's available to install it on. MicroATX is promissing though. I'm more likley to support a coldfire card to keep the old amiga going while doing any serious work on Win boxes.

Hyperion was under the impression that x86 was a bad idea, because people would have access to x86, so they'd run Windows instead and buy Windows software.

I agree with you. If someone has a need for Windows, then they will run Windows, irrelevant to their Amiga. I don't know how Hyperion think that the only sales they will make are to people who have no access to an x86 machine. Most of us already DO have access to an x86 machine!

Intentionally making a product less usefull to the costomer doesn't eliminate the need for the lost functionality, the customer will still have this need and fill it, even if it means a sale for the competitor.

[Martyn]

T_Bone wrote:
@ Plaz

7. Truth is I will buy OS4 to support Hyperion, then probably put it on a shelf because I don't like the MB's available to install it on. MicroATX is promissing though. I'm more likley to support a coldfire card to keep the old amiga going while doing any serious work on Win boxes.

Hyperion was under the impression that x86 was a bad idea, because people would have access to x86, so they'd run Windows instead and buy Windows software.

I agree with you. If someone has a need for Windows, then they will run Windows, irrelevant to their Amiga. I don't know how Hyperion think that the only sales they will make are to people who have no access to an x86 machine. Most of us already DO have access to an x86 machine!

I need to run windows, most people do.  It doesn't mean I like it.  I really really want OS4 but there's not a chance in hell I'm paying the price for the hardware I need to run it.

Right now, AROS is my only solution.  If the above reasoning really is why hyperion don't want to do a x86 port, then that's very sad, because they are completely and utterly wrong.

[uncharted]

Kronos wrote:

If that is the case, why are you defending people who do with your lame "honesty" excuses? Argument for argument's sake?

I'm defending noone, I'm attacking those that want to blame Genesi
for something that is purely on AInc's/Hyperion's account.

--SNIP!--

[/quote]

Well, it looks I was right, argument for arguments sake, nothing to do with what was being talked about.

Then you take one sentence from the final paragraph, ignoring what I was saying as a whole, and open up another attack.

I don't expect you to agree with anything I say, but you could at least extend the courtesy of reading what I say.  I just won't bother in future.

[xeron]

@Martyn

Its not just that. Hyperion can't be expected to write drivers for, and support, all the different motherboards out there. Even if they just support a small subset, there are bound to be revisions, and "almost compatible" boards with similar chipsets, and when OS4 doesn't work properly, they'll blame Hyperion.

Also, Amiga software had already started migrating to PPC. It would be stupid to change tactic again and have to support THREE architectures!

There are various other good reasons, too, and a search of all the Amiga forums will bring them up. Its a very boring, tired and irrelevant argument.

[uncharted]

cecilia wrote:

Then there are no heros in Amigaland.

well, there really are a few! If I may be so bold, Kermit is one. Right there you have one person (and company, really) that has stayed in the frey, come hell and high water - and we've had plenty of that!

anyone who's ever uploaded a program on aminet is a hero. however small it may be. just look at how HUGE aminet is.

we are each other's hero's.
let's ignore the idiots. they contribute nothing.

(you are MY hero, bloodline!) :-D [/quote]

In my book anyone who gives up thier own time to do something for the greater good of the Amiga "community" (even if it's only a subset) is an AmigaHero(TM)*

AmigaHeros(TM) I salute you!

Hmmn, I feel a graphic coming on :-D

*Sadly there are those who negate this by then going off to the forums to piss over other peoples work and generally spread negativity. :-(

[DanDude]

I C da forums never cease to amaze me.
 :-D

[DanDude]

I C da forums never cease to amaze me.
 :-D

whoops...found a glitch
please remove this duplicate post, thanks.

[Martyn]

There are various other good reasons, too, and a search of all the Amiga forums will bring them up. Its a very boring, tired and irrelevant argument.

I've read all those threads, it's just the arguments don't hold water.  But I'm here to bash Hyperion, I still think they're doing a great job and wish them all the best.  At least with 4.0 the code will have become pretty portable (so I can have hope for the future ;-) ).