I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

[rayt]

@BBRV
where are the free MorphOS versions for BlizzardPPC & CyberstormPPC?

Yeah, you cant be the big hero in amigaland if you not care about the classic users..

[bloodline]

rayt wrote:
@BBRV
where are the free MorphOS versions for BlizzardPPC & CyberstormPPC?

Yeah, you cant be the big hero in amigaland if you not care about the classic users..

Then there are no heros in Amigaland.

[rayt]

bloodline wrote:
Then there are no heros in Amigaland.

True. At least until now. Both "sides" have announced their os for classic ppc amigas. One side planns to sell it, while the other side want to give it away for free. One side has given a release date, while the other has not. Both sides claim that their Operating systems already run on classic ppc hardware. So I hope to have 2 native ppc Os on my amiga soon although one would be already enough.

[bloodline]

One side has given a release date

Cool what's the release date..? /me warms up his Blizzard.

[Seehund]

IonDeluxe wrote:
1. Who cares.That has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying.He is attempting to monopolize the Amiga market. Thats one of the reasons I want amiga to succeed, because there is no monopoly unlike the x86 world.

"Monopolize"? "Tyranny"? WHO?

Hold on, let me get this straight:

AInc have a product, AmigaOS. They have no hardware, they have no hardware designs, they have not commissioned anyone to make hardware, they have no influence over hardware design or the hardware market. Yet they're trying to tell us from whom we're allowed to buy our hardware (which currently is from a vendor that has about as little to do with hardware as AInc). Yet all words about "quality assurance", "compatibility", "sales potential", "capability to deliver", "support", "protection", "low prices" and "antipiracy" prove to be even more painfully obvious bullshit and outright lies each time they and the sole licensee have opened their mouths. Yet one "certified", marketed and sold hardware product has already been discontinued and more have had their warrantys expired while waiting for the OS that it's supposed to be certified compatible with. Yet they have already brushed off one apparently much more appropriate license applicant for better and cheaper hardware.

You call this "sharing" and "cooperation".

Genesi have two products, an OS and hardware, just like Apple, or Commodore Amiga of yore. They design their own hardware, they decide on the future of their own hardware, and they sell their own hardware.

IF[/u] Genesi somehow came into possession of AmigaOS (but they seem to hope for a position to sublicense it), then you call their hypothetical[/u] sales restriction of AmigaOS to only Pegasoses "tyranny"?

Yeah, whatever.

2.Who is trying to strike a deal?
I have already stated such a thing is impossible due to exhorbidant requirements that cannot be met.

Yes, and don't forget that nobody is interested in such a deal to begin with. AInc doesn't recognise that they have to offer something attractive in return for the licensing cash. It doesn't offer hardware vendors any compelling advantages, and even in the hypothetical case that someone would be interested, then I think it'd still be better for us customers (and thus AmigaOS) to also have the option to buy the exact same hardware elsewhere in whatever fashion we prefer.

Or were you talking about the "Tyranny" and not the "Sharing" this time?

[rayt]

Cool what's the release date..? /me warms up his Blizzard.

It was end of 2003 for the free version of Morphos. It think it was meant as some "christmas present to the community" if I remember correctly.

So bbrv if youre reading, release morphos for classic ppc like you promised and there might be a few less amiga users that cant stand you.

[Darth_X]

And don't try and pull the Moral story... there is only one truely moral person on this board and that is "That_punk_guy" and I'm sure even he has been immorral on occation.

Aren't I a moral person as well? :-D

[bloodline]

Darth_X wrote:

And don't try and pull the Moral story... there is only one truely moral person on this board and that is "That_punk_guy" and I'm sure even he has been immorral on occation.

Aren't I a moral person as well? :-D

...and Darth_X as well :-)

[vortexau]

[color=0000FF]"Genesi calling . . . Genesi calling!"[/color]

Hmmm! About every 3 months (or so) strange Forum Utterings appear to attempt to disrupt Amigans' morale!

Ah! THIS is the work of the Twenty-First Century version of LORD HAW-HAW

Don't pay TOO much heed!

[Seehund]

vortexau wrote:

Hmmm! About every 3 months (or so) strange Forum Utterings appear to attempt to disrupt Amigans' morale!

Ah! THIS is the work of the Twenty-First Century version of LORD HAW-HAW

Don't pay TOO much heed!

3 months? I thought the oracle interpretation sessions took place every two weeks over at The Portal.

[Plaz]

@Ion

You've got my vote man (or gal?) in what ever you're running for.
Really, I like your strait shooting. Your posting composition could use some polishing though.

Not that anyone cares, but I just thought I'd add my avatar to what seems to be a very shallow avatar gene pool in this thread. I'm not an expert, nor do I care to follow the topics in as much detail as many of you. I'm just a simple guy with work to get done and money to spend on computers. Here's how I see my simple world...

1. I love my old Amiga and its OS, but the company and those who created that Amiga are gone.
2. I think Amiga Inc has been a poorly run joke. I also never liked or barely understood their Hardware/Software licensing model. Sell me the OS and let me go install it where I will, even if that's on an x86. I know that's a posion pill for some. Sorry, too bad.
3. I like Hyperion. I've conversed with different reps from Hyperion over the years and have a high opinion of them.
4. I've read many posts by the person or persons claiming to be BBRV on moobunny, amiga.org, ann.lu and in other misc forums and news releases. I understand this to be Bill Buck of Genisi. I don't like the tone, content, or attitude of these messages. I would never think of buying anything from whom ever post them or their company, even if it was branded "Amiga".
5. I don't know enough about Eyetech to form and opinion, If Hyperion likes them then I probably will too.
6. I might guess that this is the senerio running in someone's mind.....
Amiga Inc might fall, Hyperion and Eyetech could somehow inherit things Amiga. Genisi doesn't what that to happen so let's do what it takes to gain Amiga IP if Amiga Inc. does fail. Hey, and why not stamp out AI even faster if possible. :-)
7. Truth is I will buy OS4 to support Hyperion, then probably put it on a shelf because I don't like the MB's available to install it on. MicroATX is promissing though. I'm more likley to support a coldfire card to keep the old amiga going while doing any serious work on Win boxes.
8. I would like to see Hyperion receive all things Amiga. Then maybe it would have a future. If you do, please don't change your name to Amiga, it's a curse. Stay Hyperion and sell AmigaOS. I feel this is exactly what BBRV wants to stop.

That's my simple opinion with less than half the facts. But I needed to kill a few minutes anyway.
Thanks for reading. Now back to my 5000 MS workstation network, because few of the players
involved with Amiga can get a clue. BTW, I still say AmigaOS desktops would make the perfect
companion to Linux servers, IF they ever arrive in sufficeint numbers.

Plaz

[cecilia]

bloodline wrote:
Then there are no heros in Amigaland.

well, there really are a few! If I may be so bold, Kermit is one. Right there you have one person (and company, really) that has stayed in the frey, come hell and high water - and we've had plenty of that!

anyone who's ever uploaded a program on aminet is a hero. however small it may be. just look at how HUGE aminet is.

we are each other's hero's.
let's ignore the idiots. they contribute nothing.

(you are MY hero, bloodline!) :-D

[Hammer]

1. Who cares.That has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying.He is attempting to monopolize the Amiga market. Thats one of the reasons I want amiga to succeed, because there is no monopoly unlike the x86 world.

Note that the HW in X86 world is commoditized and Linux (X86) support is reasonably satisfactory for enterprise market.

[ottomobiehl]

whabang wrote:

ottomobiehl wrote:
@Markus_Bieler

Your sig is freaking me out man. :-)

That's nothing! :-D

Ahhhhhh! :crazy:  :python:

[QuikSanz]

Is it me or is cecilia spinning faster now? Oh no bloodline what have you done?

Chris

[Targhan]

I agree with cecilia.  It's the armchair developer, artists, and composers that are the heros.