I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

[QuikSanz]

@T_Bone

" but to the user who's planning on buying an AmigaOS4 machine when they come out "

What do you mean when they come out? Mine will be here in a couple of days. Hmm, I smell a rip off coming.

Chris

[Kronos]

@rayt

I won't go into detail, but fleecy is pretty much the last guy I would
believe ......

The actual facts and actions do speakmuch louder than words.

[bbrv]

Hi Ion, what exactly "point blank" did you want to discuss?

In the meanwhile, we posted here:

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/98376.shtml

If you want to comment further please be so bold right here.

Looking forward to all your intelligence and consideration in this regard!

:-)

Bill Buck

[IonDeluxe]

There is nothing to dicuss with you. You made me aware of your "requirements" to enter any discussion and they are quite simply exhorbidant.As such they will never be met and hence there is nothing to discuss.

Of course if you decided to reverse your current course of action then there might be, but we all know there are only 3 chances of that happening.

[Damion]

@IonDeluxe

BBRV wishes to void the contracts between Amiga Inc.
and Hyperion/eyetech.

How can you "void" contracts which may have already been
"void" from the outset? Aside from which, I would assume
(from my "armchair" analysis) that a judge is most likely
to decide what is and is not "void".

Once that it done he want s to force both of them to use his
hardware, and if they dont then hyperion gets no lisence and
niether does Eyetech get OS4.

That's your 'hypothesis' of the situation...

This is called Tyranny.

No, it's called "business". Ultimately the entire point
is that customers have products, and someone makes money.
Everything else is simply a means to an end. That's how things
operate in this world.

No, he wants the only choice to be his boards his way and to
call his machines Amiga's for free.

Once again your hypothesis...and even if, so what?? Is
the Teron somehow holier than other hardware available,
that only it alone is worthy?

"The Name" was simply a product label for a dead 80's computer
platform...I seriously think some people overestimate it's
worth in the market (and I highly doubt BB is one of them).

Besides...'Amigas-4-Phree' sounds soooo much like a late 90's
era school charity drive...

There is nothing to dicuss with you. You made me aware of your
"requirements" to enter any discussion and they are quite simply
exhorbidant.As such they will never be met and hence there is
nothing to discuss.

Honestly dude I don't understand your reasoning. Have you ever
by chance read Sartre's "No Exit"? Anyhow, as long as OS4 is
still available 'soon'...and runs on something other than a
shoe...what is there for you bitch about?

[Damion]

--edit--

Pardon, double post.

[uncharted]

Kronos wrote:

And now try to find a single quote from me (younger than 2 years)
were I am "lambasting" the trio-infernale about that ? I have
nothing against it, only in these stupid attempts to blame Genesi
for the trio's desicion.

If that is the case, why are you defending people who do with your lame "honesty" excuses? Argument for argument's sake?

Offcourse I will shoot through the holes in their logic whenever
they bring that licence up, but I'm that last to protest if/when
Hyperion officially declare that there won't be an OS4-port due to
much work for something that will have a hard time competing
with the OS that allready came free with the HW.

Really now? That's interesting because that wasn't what has been said/insinuated so far.  This little offshoot discussion has been about people tying software to hardware through agreements, not once until now has anyone mentioned anything about competing products.  In fact the general focus of past discussions has been on Eyetech apparently overcharging people for hardware and enforcing/abusing it's "OS4 monopoly".

[Crumb]

@BBRV
where are the free MorphOS versions for BlizzardPPC & CyberstormPPC?

[T_Bone]

QuikSanz wrote:
@T_Bone

" but to the user who's planning on buying an AmigaOS4 machine when they come out "

What do you mean when they come out? Mine will be here in a couple of days. Hmm, I smell a rip off coming.

Chris

You're talking about an "AmigaOne." I was talking about the final product, the software and the hardware, not the Earlybird version sans Operating System. That's what I meant by "an AmigaOS4 machine, " a machine running AmigaOS4.

[IonDeluxe]

@-D-
get with the program bud.
Nothing I have said ishypothisisit is what Bill Buck himself has said.
Furthermore, the contract cannot be "voided" by a judge until another party (read: Bill Buck) brings it to the court.Nevertheless it is what he himself said he would do.
As for the rest, you are simply not up to date. Also note that Mr B.Buck has had opportunity to refute anything I have said as he replied directly to me after I said those thing yet he did not.

Why does it matter?
As I have said several times, at the moment both the companies and the consumers have a choice of hardware and of operating system.Bill Buck proposes to deny all of us, the consumers the businesses the developers of that choice.

I find his reasons dubious at best and hid methods even less reputeable, and this is the person you want as dictator of the future of the Amiga platform?

No, it's called "business". Ultimately the entire point
is that customers have products, and someone makes money.
Everything else is simply a means to an end. That's how things
operate in this world.

Maybe the world does work this way, that does not mean that it should work this way.I find that the practises of business leave a huge amout to be desired from a moral standpoint.Not long ago it was standard practise to dump toxic wastes into the water catchment areas worldwide, that does not make it right.

You are obviously not up to date with this discussion.

[redrumloa]

@IonDeluxe

Number 1: Genesi' reseller requirements are very reasonable.

Number 2: You seriously need to work on your negotiating skills. Called the head of a company out in a public forum is not going improve your positioning to strike a deal.

[IonDeluxe]

1. Who cares.That has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying.He is attempting to monopolize the Amiga market. Thats one of the reasons I want amiga to succeed, because there is no monopoly unlike the x86 world.

2.Who is trying to strike a deal?
I have already stated such a thing is impossible due to exhorbidant requirements that cannot be met.Why is calling out the "head of a company" any different than calling out anyone else.Does being the head of a company give him extra rights and privledges?
3. Nothing you have said is relevant to the discussion

[bloodline]

@IonDeluxe

You've missed the point somewhat... if you read around I'm sure that will help.


The way the world should work is stupid... when your washing machine breaks down, the manufacturer doesn't say, "it should work", and then ignore you... no they they take note of the fact that is doesn't work and do something about it...

Beagle 2? no problem at all, it should work... therefore it does. :-D


And don't try and pull the Moral story... theer is only one truely moral person on this board and that is "That_punk_guy" and I'm sure even he has been immorral on occation.

[redrumloa]

IonDeluxe wrote:
1. Who cares.That has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying.He is attempting to monopolize the Amiga market. Thats one of the reasons I want amiga to succeed, because there is no monopoly unlike the x86 world.

2.Who is trying to strike a deal?
I have already stated such a thing is impossible due to exhorbidant requirements that cannot be met.Why is calling out the "head of a company" any different than calling out anyone else.Does being the head of a company give him extra rights and privledges?
3. Nothing you have said is relevant to the discussion

I feel like I'm in the biazzaro world. Whatever.

Enjoy!

[Kronos]

uncharted wrote:


If that is the case, why are you defending people who do with your lame "honesty" excuses? Argument for argument's sake?

I'm defending noone, I'm attacking those that want to blame Genesi
for something that is purely on AInc's/Hyperion's account.

 the general focus of past discussions has been on Eyetech apparently overcharging people for hardware and enforcing/abusing it's "OS4 monopoly".

Let's see, Terrasoft planned 299$+tax&shipping, and yes those people
know how to make a calculation. A1s sell between 600 and 900Euro
(+tax&shipping), so it is quite clear that someone is taking some
Euro more than it is common in retail-buisness. Wether it is Eyetech or
an extreme price for the name AmigaOne, is beyond our knowledge,
but it is quite clear that these 2 have rather little interest in having OS4
on another (cheaper, and probraly better) HW, as Eyetech make 0.0
on it, and the bigger part of the OS4-revenue is ending in Hyperion's
pocket.

Hyperion on the other side may be happy, that all those "buy Peg now,
run OS4 on it later"-users have been kept in limbo, and therefore
haven't grown used to MOS in the last 12-16 months.

[rayt]

@BBRV
where are the free MorphOS versions for BlizzardPPC & CyberstormPPC?

Yeah, you cant be the big hero in amigaland if you not care about the classic users..