I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

[T_Bone]

Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

[uncharted]

Kronos wrote:

There is one little but important difference in here, and it's called honesty.

Ooooh I wouldn't open up that can of worms here, especially in light of recent revelations. :-o

That's a lame excuse. It doesn't even make sense. I'd expect better from you Kronos.  

Genesi have no problem admitting that they alone decide on which HW MorphOS will
run, and they don't hide the fact that they make that desicions only for their own best.

No hiding behind bizzare licences, when in reality it is all a matter of getting max. profit
with min. spending (pretty much what Roque said from a different angle).

So how does that make them any better, they're still forcing consumers to a limited hardware/software choice.  You're still lambasting Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga for exacly the same thing that Genesi do.  Just because they act as one entity rather than seperate companies, is no reason why they should get let off. Like I said, that doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems you're grasping at straws.


Frankly Genesi as missing sales opportunities, and squandering the advantages they've had in the market (are they even still in it? it's very confusing), by ignoring Software sales.  Publishing MorphOS to weary, long-time AmigaOne users who've been waiting for OS4 for ages, would probably of been be worth their while, especially as MOS was already running on the Teron.  There's a stack of Classic PPC users waiting for a PPC OS too.  Hell, there's even the chance of Peg2 sales steming from this ("Try this, now imagine it on better hardware"). Very very dumb IMO

Likewise there's a section of people who want cheaper hardware with OS4 that Hyperion are missing out on (although, to be fair, their choice is not totally within thier control)

[uncharted]

T_Bone wrote:

Who said I was complaining about a specific party? It's an acrossed the board statement. I don't like being told what hardware to use, especially when the choice is severly limited.

My mistake, there has been an awful lot of what I described recently, I mistook your post for that.

[Kronos]

uncharted wrote:

So how does that make them any better, theyHW.'re still forcing consumers to a limited hardware/software choice.  You're still lambasting Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga for exacly the same thing that Genesi do.  

And now try to find a single quote from me (younger than 2 years)
were I am "lambasting" the trio-infernale about that ? I have
nothing against it, only in these stupid attempts to blame Genesi
for the trio's desicion.

Offcourse I will shoot through the holes in their logic whenever
they bring that licence up, but I'm that last to protest if/when
Hyperion officially declare that there won't be an OS4-port due to
much work for something that will have a hard time competing
with the OS that allready came free with the HW.

Is Genesi loosing sales opportunities ? Probraly, but would these
outweight the extra work for making an UBoot MOS, trying to fix/
patch the Articia&VIA-bugs in SW ? And how many Peg-sales
would they loose this way ?

Thats the reason why there is no MOS for the A1 right now, and
Genesi had no problem saying it so.

[cecilia]

T_Bone wrote:
Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

That's not the organ I was thinking of!

(OH! did I say that???)

 :roflmao:

[redrumloa]

cecilia wrote:

That's not the organ I was thinking of!

(OH! did I say that???)

 :roflmao: [/quote]

 :nervous:

[bloodline]

cecilia wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

That's not the organ I was thinking of!

(OH! did I say that???)

 :roflmao:

no, me neither. :-P

[T_Bone]

cecilia wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

That's not the organ I was thinking of!

(OH! did I say that???)

 :roflmao:

By the looks of that "hardware" on your robot, I don't know what kind of a match he'd be for it!  :lol:  :lol:  :hammer:

[Roj]

The fact that you imply that the "giant" has been sleeping all this time doesn't exactly overwhelm me with confindence. :nervous:

[bloodline]

T_Bone wrote:

cecilia wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

That's not the organ I was thinking of!

(OH! did I say that???)

 :roflmao:

By the looks of that "hardware" on your robot, I don't know what kind of a match he'd be for it!  :lol:  :lol:  :hammer:

Celia can "Exterminate" me any day!! :lol:

[JoannaK]

Roj wrote:
The fact that you imply that the "giant" has been sleeping all this time doesn't exactly overwhelm me with confindence. :nervous:

Reminds me a lot about that old fable of a Boy who cried out Wolf...

[T_Bone]

Roj wrote:
The fact that you imply that the "giant" has been sleeping all this time doesn't exactly overwhelm me with confindence. :nervous:

Yea, I know..

Sh*t... Ray's in kind of a bad place. Amiga Inc has to be into him for AT LEAST $100 Grand by now. What else is he supposed to do? Give up? I really hope the Giant wakes up at least long enough that he gets what's owed to him.

[rayt]

@ Kronos

First of, how do you know that Eyetech has the same licence that  Genesi could obtain ?

In Fleecys Q&A #12 (question 5) he says: "There is nothing to negotiate. Amiga Inc currently has two product lines, the AmigaOS and the AmigaDE. If a third party wishes to use or licence these then they should contact us and they will be given the same deal as anyone else. That third party will then have to meet the same criteria as every other third party in terms of sales, marketing and support in order to guarantee a quality Amiga certified product reaches the consumer."

Their A1-licence predates the OS4-licence  by about 2 years, and didn't they claim to have exclusive rights  just a few days ago ?

Hmm this confuses me ab bit, too. Because I remember a press release from Ainc/Elbox where they claim to have an Os4 license for the shark.

But Fleecy also says in question 5 of Q&A #12: "AmigaOne is a brand name that is exclusively licenced to Eyetech Ltd so Genesi or any other third party cannot use it without either agreement from Eyetech or via building a system using the AmigaOne boards."

So Eyetech only have the exclusive rights to the name "AmigaOne". So genesi only would have to give it another name than amigaone. So there would be no problems for an Os4 Board from genesi named Pegasos, or Pegasos Amiga, or Amiga sos, or whatever.

Now, you might go back to to April 2002, and read all the  contradicting statements about what is in the licence (it is free,  we payed for it, it a different one to the A1-licence, only "A1s" will  run OS4, .......)

I dont know if it was 2002 or earlier but I remember a news item which said that both the bplan board (was not finished at the time I think) and the eyetech product (was also not "finished") will be the first licensed boards for AmigaOs. In my opinion, the future looked much brighter at that time and I wonder how it became so worse like it is today. I dont know any details about the negotiations between the two companies but I think its too easy to blame Ainc for everything.

[IonDeluxe]

ALot of you people have missed the point when I mentioned the word "tyranny"

Right now we have the choiceof an Aone or pegaosos, we have the choiceof Pegasos or Aos. Both hyperion and eyetech have the choiceof the harware these will support.

Bill Buck intends to remove that choice from both the companies AND the consumer and call it "uniting" when in actual fact it is FORCING, and that is the "Tyranny" I was referring to.

Bill Buck has REFUSED point blank in personal email correspondence with me(which I made public with his full knowledge) to ever lisence OS4 and/or get Amiga certification. He quoted the price to me which was far less than he has spent on lawyers. The only part he mentioned that did not have a price tag was the development of a new board(as the pegasos does not have a dongle) whis is mostly irrevelantdue to the fact he had to redevelop his boards anyway.

No, he wants the only choice to be his boards his way and to call his machines Amiga's for free.
Thats what this entire court case has been about from day one, depite the fact he wants to work "with" the community.
/sarcasm on
yeah sure
/sarcasm off

[T_Bone]

IonDeluxe wrote:
Right now we have the choiceof an Aone or pegaosos, we have the choiceof Pegasos or Aos. Both hyperion and eyetech have the choiceof the harware these will support.

Bill Buck intends to remove that choice from both the companies AND the consumer and call it "uniting" when in actual fact it is FORCING, and that is the "Tyranny" I was referring to.

Ok, that's a fair point. I can see where Hyperion and Eyetech would feel pushed around, but to the user who's planning on buying an AmigaOS4 machine when they come out, not much has changed really, just the name of the person making some of the decisions.... but if the customer doesn't get to choose his own board anyway, he's not likely going to care who makes that decision.

...that's if it even happens. I think it could make it to court, but I don't think it'd result in anything. I don't know.

The worst I see happening is the exclusive license becoming non-exclusive, I don't see it being voided.

[QuikSanz]

@T_Bone

" but to the user who's planning on buying an AmigaOS4 machine when they come out "

What do you mean when they come out? Mine will be here in a couple of days. Hmm, I smell a rip off coming.

Chris