More info on 'Amiga Reloaded'

[alphadec]

sounds awsome

[Rob]

@Mike
Exactly my point... I just pointed out that "I don't want to pay extra for X" wasn't the argument I was making but that I thought a propper videooption shouldn't be an option to begin with on an Amiga motherboard.

There is a limited number of I/O cutouts on the rear of the case so including one option on the motherboard might exclude the possibility of the other.  This is especially the case with the A500.  Sure, you can make your own with a dremmel but a lot of people won't be happy to make cosmetic alterations to their case which can't be reversed.

The layout of the I/O ports on the A500 and A1200 are different too so unless users are forced butcher the case at least some of it will have to be on fly-leads anyway and that's only a step away from it on a seperate module.

Another consideration is that since the board will have an original Lisa chip, the current Indivisions are most likely compatible and therefore owners of such hardware wouldn't require any other video output.

When it all comes down to it I don't really see what the big deal is if the video output is on the mainboard or not.  The only important part is that it actually ships with that output.

[Rob]

See http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69093 on Flash ROM's

Read post #11 and forward from there.

The wiki says that it will come with fully licensed ROMs rather than blanks so there will be no issues there.

Jens has had a license for kickstart 1.3 and 3.1 from Hyperion since Q1 2013.

[danbeaver]

The wiki says that it will come with fully licensed ROMs rather than blanks so there will be no issues there.

Jens has had a license for kickstart 1.3 and 3.1 from Hyperion since Q1 2013.

Kindly read the discussion more closely.

[yssing]

Interesting, I would have to see the final price first, before I decide anything.

But it would have been nice to include USB and NIC as standard.

[AmiDude]

Quote from Wiki:

"Keyboard

A jumper will select if you want to use an A500 or an A1200 keyboard. Although LEDs may get in the way (and might need modification), this will let you use an A1200 keyboard in an A500 case and vice versa. This will give you the opportunity to create your unique colour combination. Following the idea of not requiring and case modification(s), the keyboard will also be used to switch the computer on/off."

So there are 2 keyboard interfaces on the motherboard; one for A500 and one for A1200?! That doesn't make any sense.
Why don't they ship it with a NEW Amiga case and keyboard, so we don't have to hack it into an existing A500/A1200 case.

[jj]

I like stories, I wonder how Jens came across the motherload of old C= era AGA chips?

Are they original chips ?   Is this not the outcome of the Amiga clone he was working on for years.

[KimmoK]

Are they original chips ?   Is this not the outcome of the Amiga clone he was working on for years.

" I located the actual stock of chips in multiple locations. One had Lisa chips, another had Alice, and a third had Paula. During the late 90s, these people believed that they had "gold", and they could not agree on a project because everyone was demanding a too-high share of whatever money they could make. With everyone in the boat being able to block each other, new Amigas never happened.

Almost 20 years after, I managed to convince each and everyone of them to sell me their remaining stock.

Jens"

[jj]

Maybe I didn't read the whole article lol

Fair enough, though does make for a limited run

[Wolfe]

Interesting, I would have to see the final price first, before I decide anything.

But it would have been nice to include USB and NIC as standard.

I agree, final price first.  It sounds like its going to end up too expensive with all the modules, but it offers choice.  But NIC and USB should be on the main board as they are a necessity in the modern verse.  And overall would cut costs on those items for all.  Wait and see, with anticipation of course . . .

[Rob]

Kindly read the discussion more closely.

I did.  They already sell/sold ACA500 anyway.

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1168

[Brian]

There is a limited number of I/O cutouts on the rear of the case so including one option on the motherboard might exclude the possibility of the other.  This is especially the case with the A500.  Sure, you can make your own with a dremmel but a lot of people won't be happy to make cosmetic alterations to their case which can't be reversed.

The layout of the I/O ports on the A500 and A1200 are different too so unless users are forced butcher the case at least some of it will have to be on fly-leads anyway and that's only a step away from it on a seperate module.

Another consideration is that since the board will have an original Lisa chip, the current Indivisions are most likely compatible and therefore owners of such hardware wouldn't require any other video output.

When it all comes down to it I don't really see what the big deal is if the video output is on the mainboard or not.  The only important part is that it actually ships with that output.

An option could be to make a smaller motherboard with headers for a secondary I/O board that for the A500/1200 would of cause have less ports due to formfactor and then another I/O board for mATX backplane where all ports would fit. This would cater to both keyboard and bigbox enthusiasts... especially if adding a header for an optional Zorro board.

I never was a fan of patchworks when upgrading the original A1200 so was hoping this could adress that issue.

[paul1981]

I agree, final price first.  It sounds like its going to end up too expensive with all the modules, but it offers choice.  But NIC and USB should be on the main board as they are a necessity in the modern verse.  And overall would cut costs on those items for all.  Wait and see, with anticipation of course . . .

I prefer the modular approach. USB is an old technology which could go out of favour in the future, or drastically change. Same with onboard NIC's. To future proof the machine, I really do believe that the modular approach is the right one. I understand your point of view though.

[Duce]

Lol, USB and RJ45 (Ethernet) ports aren't going anywhere or changing to the point where they won't be backwards compatible.

Both should have been included on this board, and had they been, I probably would have ended up buying one.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Lol, USB and RJ45 (Ethernet) ports aren't going anywhere or changing to the point where they won't be backwards compatible.

Both should have been included on this board, and had they been, I probably would have ended up buying one.

You know if they had been, somebody would complain about "why do I have to pay extra for something I'm not going to use", blah blah yadda yadda.

You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time!  

[paul1981]

Lol, USB and RJ45 (Ethernet) ports aren't going anywhere or changing to the point where they won't be backwards compatible.

Both should have been included on this board, and had they been, I probably would have ended up buying one.

Glad I made someone smile today

I hope you're right. Still, it leaves options open for different interfaces or upgrades as an alternative.