Very hard to understand

[kolla]

I think almost 100% of Pi buyers are people who buy it with intention of creating various cheap solutions based on Linux. Within certain alternative OS camps, some very few buyers get them to develop and test out their OSes, but these people are extremely few. Even fewer are people who explicitly buy it to actually run alternative OSes. Who would buy a Cherry Pi only capable of running AmigaOS? There are already quite a few options, what would Cherry Pi offer over MiST, that already covers two marked segments? The only way to atract more users is by having a darn fast and darn modern, full fledged m68k, capable of running Linux too. Nobody in the real world cares about Thor an his libs for AmigaOS - "most people" only care for Amiga in terms of playing old games, and Raspberry Pi does this fine already (as does a Nintendo Wii for that matter, or whatever game console of the last two generations) - Pretty much only "community people" are interested in fast m68k to run OS3.x and old applications, and even among us, a large percentage are already happy with UAE and do not see the point of a Cherry Pi.

[kolla]

How is UAE limiting ARexx etc?!!

[kolla]

Oh, you mean m68k apps running in UAE hosted on AROS cannot share resources with AROS? Well, it can certainly be achieved, if AROS gets the type of "inline" emulation that OS4 and MorphOS has.

[Lionheart]

I see no reason at all why a video game console for homebrew would really make a difference. There are plenty of homebrew kits for existing consoles already, what is your unique selling point?

Try to run homebrew on a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox,...etc without hacking it.  They're closed devices that don't support homebrew out of the box.  

The Amiga emulation on the Pi is relatively weak because even the Pi 2 has lackluster single core and memory performance (due to the low electrical power RISC CPU design). The Pi and Pi 2 are pretty efficient for web browsing and other tasks where multiple cores can be used but an old Pentium III CPU is likely to outperform it with a quick compile of older single core games. Games and programs can sometimes be optimized and fixed up but this takes a lot of time. It would be possible to make a Pi like 68k CPU based board with competive performance and more convenience features (wi-fi, SATA, FPGA, RTC?) but costing probably in the $75-$150 U.S. price range. An enhanced 68k would have strong single core and memory performance like the x86/x86_64 but could have a much smaller memory footprint, even smaller than the Pi's Thumb2. The 2nd generation of FPGA Amiga hardware is already faster than most 68k original Amiga hardware. A 3rd generation could be clocked up and the cost reduced if produced in quantity. I believe it could become competitive in performance to hardware like the Pi. IMO, the AmigaOS would have a much better chance trying to sell in quantity on 68k hardware than trying to play catchup with OSs where developers have years of experience optimizing for the host CPU.

There are alternatives to the Raspberry Pi, such as the pcDuino3 nano which is more powerful for around $30.  I prefer software emulation but for those who want hardware emulation there are FPGA add-ons for the Raspberry Pi and BeagleBone, such as the LOGi, and the pcDuino3 nano also features a Arduino-style expansion so it can use an FPGA shield.  There's also the Parallella, an ARM+FPGA SBC for $99 and the most expensive of the ones I've mentioned.  Having both ARM and 68k would at least make it future proof and backwards compatible.

[Tripitaka]

Try to run homebrew on a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox,...etc without hacking it.  They're closed devices that don't support homebrew out of the box.  

Errrr... you don't know me too well do you? LMAO. ALL my consoles (NGC, Original XBox and WII) are hacked. Viper Chip, X-Ecutor 3, Letterbomb respectively. My Dreamcast has a boot disk for homebrew and even my N64 that I sold had an V64 Doctor. I've hacked, modded or Jailbroken everthing I own. The only exception is the PS3 as it's actually my daughters and they (I have twins) just don't use it anymore since they started playing Skyrim on the PC.

...hmm, come to think of it I've not done my Kindle yet, I've been rather busy lately.

But OK, I take your point. So I ask you this instead. Why would I buy your design over OUYA , Uzebox, Caanoo, Pandora, nD or even Minimig, FPGA Arcade or Raspberry Pi?

[klx300r]

@ Lionheart

man what's going on with the a.org nowadays?? it took 49 posts...49 posts!

dammit TMHTG I miss ya bro;)

[ferrellsl]

I have to disagree with the post earlier that claims that many Pi users/buyers will get around to trying some flavor of AmigaOS on their Pi.  Most Pi users/buyers have never even heard of an Amiga and even if they have, they don't want to load an OS that has no software base to speak of, other than 20+ year old games and a few apps that are so woefully outdated that they'd have to be masochists.  There's nothing compelling enough to get them to run ANY of the various Amigoid operating systems.  Most Pi users/buyers acquired the Pi to play with some variant of Linux or Android. It's like saying that people who buy a modern i7 processor will want to try running CP/M or MS-DOS on it.  Until any of the various Amigoid operating systems offer something more than just being different, no one will adopt/use it.  And right now, even the best of the Amigoid operating systems haven't achieved rough parity with Windows 95.  I wish people would stop playing these absurd "what if" games and start living in reality.  Even if Aeon and Hyperion were to magically update OS4 to support modern hardware, SMP, 3D graphics, etc....no one will adopt it.  Home users and offices already have a huge investment in current software and systems that work.  And they're not going to just throw that out the window no matter how much some of you here want to relive the glory days of the Amiga. All the Amigoid operating systems are just curiosities or hobbies to the RATIONAL people here and outside of this site.  Unfortunately we have blind, religious zealots who troll this site and hijack nearly every thread with this absurd talk of how an Amigoid OS is going to take the world by storm if it simply had this, that or the other feature...or modern hardware.  Wake the f@ck up.

[gertsy]

Yawn.. (Blink)...huh?  Sorry did I miss something?  Ohh man who's been using my Workbench 1.3 disk as a coffee coaster?

[danbeaver]

Blind Religious zealots?  Do they use seeing eye sheep? Only use brail bibles?

[gertsy]

Blind Religious zealots?  Do they use seeing eye sheep? Only use brail bibles?

It does sound very biblical.  I bet Jesus cured a few of them too.

But to be sure my Amigas are definitely hobby material.  And the classic games of course.  My wife just finished another game of Loopz on the 1200, having a break from the iPad Air for some real gaming.

[danbeaver]

It does sound very biblical.  I bet Jesus cured a few of them too.

Darn, I wish he could cure the name callers.

Question:  Do trolls ever set their bridges on fire during a "flame-on" anger burst?

[Duce]

No one is buying Rasp Pi's in the collective scheme of things to run an Amiga OS variant.  None.

You could have every AmigaOS variant ported to Rasp Pi and the total number of people buying the things to run said OS variants would be in the fraction of a percent.

So far, 500,000 Rasp Pi 2's have been sold.  There's a pretty fair variety of offshoot OS's to choose from, yet I'll still wager 99.99% of them (Pi's as a whole) are running nothing but what the things run natively as a mainstream OS - Linux.

A $35 "Amiga" won't re-invent the glory days.  The number of people even running AROS for Pi on a regular basis would be minimal, and if people haven't already crossed the proverbial divide and coughed out $35 on hardware to run AROS on the Pi, what difference would AOS or MOS make.

Even the new Pi is a pretty horrible experience if you want to run a daily driver, GUI based OS on it - even Linux.  I find the AROS offerings for it nothing more than a "can we do this" case.

[wawrzon]

as was predictable this thread became an argument between fractions once more, but i think everybody had their say already and the positions are clear not just since today. though there is still the original poster buried below this all and i am still puzzled as to what it was he wanted to propose.

[whabang]

No one is buying Rasp Pi's in the collective scheme of things to run an Amiga OS variant.  None.

You could have every AmigaOS variant ported to Rasp Pi and the total number of people buying the things to run said OS variants would be in the fraction of a percent.

So far, 500,000 Rasp Pi 2's have been sold.  There's a pretty fair variety of offshoot OS's to choose from, yet I'll still wager 99.99% of them (Pi's as a whole) are running nothing but what the things run natively as a mainstream OS - Linux.

A $35 "Amiga" won't re-invent the glory days.  The number of people even running AROS for Pi on a regular basis would be minimal, and if people haven't already crossed the proverbial divide and coughed out $35 on hardware to run AROS on the Pi, what difference would AOS or MOS make.

Even the new Pi is a pretty horrible experience if you want to run a daily driver, GUI based OS on it - even Linux.  I find the AROS offerings for it nothing more than a "can we do this" case.

This.

The Pi is a fantastic  toy, and it has a ton of useful applications (I use mine for video surveillance), but as a desktop system it's absolutely horrific. Framebuffer drivers were cool back in '98, but trying to run a full-HD desktop with it is just painful.

That being said, it could definitely become a decent machine for AROS if someone wrote proper drivers for it. Unfortunately, it's nothing more than a novelty until then.

[Jose]

" There are no people in the community with skills and know-how to update any of the IP stacks. "

Olaf Barthel ?

[buzz]

The Pi is a fantastic  toy, and it has a ton of useful applications (I use mine for video surveillance), but as a desktop system it's absolutely horrific. Framebuffer drivers were cool back in '98, but trying to run a full-HD desktop with it is just painful.

the pi now has a hardware accelerated X server afaik. pi2 should be a lot more usable from the desktop than the pi1.

Not that I use mine for that - I use mine for Kodi and emulation (in a picade).