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Very hard to understand
« on: March 08, 2015, 08:02:59 AM »
I have a question. I just bought a AmigaX1000 and love it. I have been having great fun learning and playing with AmigaOS. It's quite different and I like it very much. With all the good news coming from A-Eon, like OctaMED, ImageFX, Aladdin4D, Personal Paint and the like. I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails  (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS? Please don't tell me about YAM or Simple mail. YAM is pop only and I have not had a pop account in over 13 years. Simple mail? in beta for how many years??. I am sorry and disappointed to say it's pure garbage in it's current state. Even it's form, if it worked ok is not great for a program intended to be used for emailing more than once a day. I can't find one program to just send and receive email? Wow. I am hopeful that when the new developer kit for 4.1FE comes out and A-Eons GDB debugger some good things will happen. In the mean time it seems prudent to have the following first.

Web browser:  (Odyssey 1.23r3 is ok but needs lots of work and some updates)
Email clients:   None
A good native NGAmiga word processor:     not a rehash from 68k.  libereoffice will be cool for sure but we have what? half baked garbage as of now.
contact database: is there one    
calendar:   is there one?

After the basic stuff is covered then I would be more interested in things like Aladdin4d. Please dont miss read this. I have bought every program in amistore but a game or two. I have also donated over $300 usd in total for different projects and will spend over $1000 more during 2015. I will also spend money on just about everything on amistore that comes out. I am a big supporter of A-Eon and have over $5000 in my X1000 project and will also buy a X5000 when it comes out.

Lets get a modern full blown top shelf email client and go from there.

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well. Does anyone want to make money out there? my checkbook is ready to pay you!!
« Last Edit: March 08, 2015, 08:43:31 AM by apsturk »
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2015, 08:20:40 AM »
Yam should work.
Limpidclock have a very good calendar

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2015, 08:58:37 AM »
YAM is a better email client.
 

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2015, 11:03:37 AM »
Quote from: apsturk;785986
I have a question. I just bought a AmigaX1000 and love it. I have been having great fun learning and playing with AmigaOS. It's quite different and I like it very much. With all the good news coming from A-Eon, like OctaMED, ImageFX, Aladdin4D, Personal Paint and the like. I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails  (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS? Please don't tell me about YAM or Simple mail. YAM is pop only and I have not had a pop account in over 13 years. Simple mail? in beta for how many years??. I am sorry and disappointed to say it's pure garbage in it's current state. Even it's form, if it worked ok is not great for a program intended to be used for emailing more than once a day. I can't find one program to just send and receive email? Wow. I am hopeful that when the new developer kit for 4.1FE comes out and A-Eons GDB debugger some good things will happen. In the mean time it seems prudent to have the following first.

Web browser:  (Odyssey 1.23r3 is ok but needs lots of work and some updates)
Email clients:   None
A good native NGAmiga word processor:     not a rehash from 68k.  libereoffice will be cool for sure but we have what? half baked garbage as of now.
contact database: is there one    
calendar:   is there one?

After the basic stuff is covered then I would be more interested in things like Aladdin4d. Please dont miss read this. I have bought every program in amistore but a game or two. I have also donated over $300 usd in total for different projects and will spend over $1000 more during 2015. I will also spend money on just about everything on amistore that comes out. I am a big supporter of A-Eon and have over $5000 in my X1000 project and will also buy a X5000 when it comes out.

Lets get a modern full blown top shelf email client and go from there.

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well. Does anyone want to make money out there? my checkbook is ready to pay you!!

well, i mostly used yam on my amigas, and it was okay few years ago, admited, they were genuine amigas, not os4 systems, but im pretty sure there isnt anything better in sight for os4 as well.

now, if you didnt have any experience with amiga offshots like os4 before and you have expected it to be a fully supported system, then you probably should have informed yourself in advance. this situation is like it is and is not easy to change whether someone is ready to drop in few thousand dollars or not. as you correctly said, this is similar with aros, which though is free to use on generic hardware, and probably to lesser extent with morphos.

imho if you still want to spend your money i would be rather cautious to what i donate and would choose cross-platform initiatives, but this is your choice of course. just dont expect, that unlimited progress will break loose any soon.
 

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2015, 12:27:49 PM »
Quote from: apsturk;785986
I have a question. I just bought a AmigaX1000 and love it. I have been having great fun learning and playing with AmigaOS. It's quite different and I like it very much. With all the good news coming from A-Eon, like OctaMED, ImageFX, Aladdin4D, Personal Paint and the like. I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails  (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS? Please don't tell me about YAM or Simple mail. YAM is pop only and I have not had a pop account in over 13 years. Simple mail? in beta for how many years??. I am sorry and disappointed to say it's pure garbage in it's current state. Even it's form, if it worked ok is not great for a program intended to be used for emailing more than once a day. I can't find one program to just send and receive email? Wow. I am hopeful that when the new developer kit for 4.1FE comes out and A-Eons GDB debugger some good things will happen. In the mean time it seems prudent to have the following first.

Web browser:  (Odyssey 1.23r3 is ok but needs lots of work and some updates)
Email clients:   None
A good native NGAmiga word processor:     not a rehash from 68k.  libereoffice will be cool for sure but we have what? half baked garbage as of now.
contact database: is there one    
calendar:   is there one?

After the basic stuff is covered then I would be more interested in things like Aladdin4d. Please dont miss read this. I have bought every program in amistore but a game or two. I have also donated over $300 usd in total for different projects and will spend over $1000 more during 2015. I will also spend money on just about everything on amistore that comes out. I am a big supporter of A-Eon and have over $5000 in my X1000 project and will also buy a X5000 when it comes out.

Lets get a modern full blown top shelf email client and go from there.

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well. Does anyone want to make money out there? my checkbook is ready to pay you!!


I have just used Simplemail (68k) from within Aros Vision and it perfectly works (both sending and receiving). And it is not even a special version there, just the normal 68k version. So do not hit at Simplemail because Simplemail is not responsible. Perhaps the native version I do not know or your X1000 system has a problem. 68k Simplemail is working.
 

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2015, 12:28:30 PM »
Quote from: apsturk;785986
I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS?


Hmmn I run Simplemail on MorphOS and my Amiga 4000 all the time and don't have these problems.  Likely it's just a settings issue?

Simplemail supports IMAP and HTML emails, I find it better than YAM.
 

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2015, 12:41:59 PM »
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Hmmn I run Simplemail on MorphOS and my Amiga 4000 all the time and don't have these problems.  Likely it's just a settings issue?

Simplemail supports IMAP and HTML emails, I find it better than YAM.
same here. i use simplemail daily. it's not buggy at all.

@apsturk

what exactly is your issue with simplemail, other than the version number?

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2015, 12:43:34 PM »
Using any amigoid system for anything networking is seriously challanging as all the software is pretty much locked to standards of early 1990ies, and this goes all the way from the drivers (SANA), the IP stacks, and up to client software. The main concern for software developers on amigoid systems the last 20 years are frames per second in games like Doom and Quake, true color icons and window decorations.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2015, 02:35:49 PM »
About Office. Libre Office is on the way, god knows how many years more. :)

Just wondering, we have a QT, but no KDE libraries, wich are needed for KDE Office suite Calligra. I'm prety sure that Calligra suite would be much easier and faster port than Libre Office.

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2015, 05:50:04 PM »
@apsturk,

YAM is "Top Shelf" and has all the bells and whistles you need! If they made one for my Winblows box at work I would use it there too......

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2015, 06:10:59 PM »
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@apsturk,

YAM is "Top Shelf" and has all the bells and whistles you need! If they made one for my Winblows box at work I would use it there too......


YAM is excellent, but does not have everything he needs - he needs IMAP support.
 

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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2015, 06:14:20 PM »
I found encryption in YAM very cumbersome, no S/MIME support, way outdated and limited SSL/TLS support (does it even do StartTLS?) and PGP/GnuPG on Amiga is very "alien" in any case. Not to mention the can of worms that is charsets and UTF8. Oops, now I did.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2015, 06:19:17 PM »
And wow - YAM still doesn't do IMAP?! I cannot even remember that, haha. No IMAP, no Sieve, no S/MIME, rudimentary PGP support... exactly what bells and whistles are left? :)
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2015, 06:27:07 PM »
You can say that it is the general problem with Amigoid systems, especially OS4 and MorphOS - all focus is on "bells and whistles", all about "bling". They are totally lacking when it comes to fundamental technologies. Throwing more bitmaps and more FPS on it doesn't make the OSes more appealing to developers, modern core technologies are totally absent, and this has to be dealt with sooner rather than later. But, whatever, if gaining 2% higher transfer speeds on FTP over a sloppy half duplex 10Mbit connection is what ticks people off, by all means!
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2015, 08:51:23 PM »
I used to love YAM but it doesnt do IMAP so I had to scrap it. I tried SimpleMail recently but found it unsatisfactory.

I think I should port Pine.
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