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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #434 from previous page: February 25, 2015, 09:06:29 PM »
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depending how you define the precedence. apparently arix, an unseen derivate of aros has set a precenedce on it some time ago. and knowing some devs who achieved it, especially jason i trust it being a fact.
http://www.arixfoundation.com/screenshots/
the other thing is how much of advantage it is when actually implemented. since it isnt of any actual use but rather a handicap for software available so far it sounds rather like a technical excersize, a proof of concept it you will. same as the extended memory support os4 seems to provide beyond the 2 gig barrier or the x-core chip. stuff you like to read about but will never use.


Isn't that still a secret tease-only project?

I tend to ignore stuff like that (Natami, various FPGA projects) until I have the potential to actually try them myself.

Not that I'm not interested, but it's vaporware until it's available.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #435 on: February 25, 2015, 09:27:20 PM »
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Isn't that still a secret tease-only project?

same as os4 one so far.

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I tend to ignore stuff like that (Natami, various FPGA projects) until I have the potential to actually try them myself.

Not that I'm not interested, but it's vaporware until it's available.

except when it actually bears some fruits like vampire board and the gunnars/jens/whomever core, maybe not a direct successor of natami hype, but definitely something people can get their hands on just now, even if i cant yet, not having an a600 anymore.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #436 on: February 25, 2015, 10:05:07 PM »
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We have said in the past posts we would be open to making our software compatible on MOS and porting it over if there is a commercial demand for it.

We have had a good amount of feedback from AmigaOS 3 users who want to have updated software.  The new PPaint sales for Classic Amigas have been better than anticipated so far, so it seems there is a small market for AmigaOS 3.x software still :)

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Yes Warp3D is now acquired by A-EON.  We hope to invest in this further for Classic Amiga- up until now, development has been stagnant for many years.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #437 on: February 25, 2015, 10:13:17 PM »
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@Yasu

We have said in the past posts we would be open to making our software compatible on MOS and porting it over if there is a commercial demand for it.

We have had a good amount of feedback from AmigaOS 3 users who want to have updated software.  The new PPaint sales for Classic Amigas have been better than anticipated so far, so it seems there is a small market for AmigaOS 3.x software still :)

@wawrzon

Yes Warp3D is now acquired by A-EON.  We hope to invest in this further for Classic Amiga- up until now, development has been stagnant for many years.


That's all very good news. Glad to hear it!

Now, work on that updated AOS problem and take all my money. :)
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #438 on: February 25, 2015, 10:16:52 PM »
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Yes Warp3D is now acquired by A-EON.  We hope to invest in this further for Classic Amiga- up until now, development has been stagnant for many years.


Ths for clarifying. I might be able to provide some testing, while hardly recalling anything from times back, as matt, alain and bernd tried to improve what we had without any support. Im not signing any ndas though and would strongly advised others not to.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #439 on: February 25, 2015, 10:23:57 PM »
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Isn't that still a secret tease-only project?

I tend to ignore stuff like that (Natami, various FPGA projects) until I have the potential to actually try them myself.

Not that I'm not interested, but it's vaporware until it's available.


Yes, it's vaporware.  Not sure why the devs haven't shown any progress other than they decided that there are already too many AROS-on-Linux variants.  I can say that Arix is another "AROS hosted on a Linux" distro with all the other Linux bits stripped away, no package manager, no Gnome/KDE, etc.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #440 on: February 25, 2015, 11:15:01 PM »
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@Yasu

We have said in the past posts we would be open to making our software compatible on MOS and porting it over if there is a commercial demand for it.

We have had a good amount of feedback from AmigaOS 3 users who want to have updated software.  The new PPaint sales for Classic Amigas have been better than anticipated so far, so it seems there is a small market for AmigaOS 3.x software still :)


I know, but you keep coming back to "AmigaOS 4". I have a hard time believing that there are so many more AmigaOS 4 users that it makes commercial sense and that MorphOS users are so few that it doesn't. If anything they should be about as many on both camps. Maybe AOS 4 users open their wallets more willingly but still.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #441 on: February 25, 2015, 11:18:24 PM »
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I know, but you keep coming back to "AmigaOS 4". I have a hard time believing that there are so many more AmigaOS 4 users that it makes commercial sense and that MorphOS users are so few that it doesn't. If anything they should be about as many on both camps. Maybe AOS 4 users open their wallets more willingly but still.


Is it even that easy to tell when MorphOS users buy AOS3 compatible software?

Maybe some of those blips on the radar were actually from MOS users.

Combine AOS3 and MorphOS and there can't possibly be more AOS4 users.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #442 on: February 26, 2015, 08:11:18 AM »
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@Yasu

We have said in the past posts we would be open to making our software compatible on MOS and porting it over if there is a commercial demand for it.

We have had a good amount of feedback from AmigaOS 3 users who want to have updated software.  The new PPaint sales for Classic Amigas have been better than anticipated so far, so it seems there is a small market for AmigaOS 3.x software still :)


It probably doesnt hurt that MorphOS can run OS3 software so it has boosted PPaint sales a little :)
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #443 on: February 26, 2015, 10:02:31 AM »
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Hyperion posted a new blog today.  Interesting stuff.  Doesn't act like a company that's "out of business".  Just glancing at it since I saw it pop up on Google+, thought I'd throw it out here for you guys to chew over.  ;)

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=1184

My ability to read Belgianese is somewhat limited, and I won't even bother with translators, but didn't that Insolvency request specify that the hearing won't be until March 4th?

If so, Hyperion will probably be in business at least until then. After that, it's up to the courts/creditors.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #444 on: February 26, 2015, 11:43:00 AM »
@itix your link address seems dead : http://http//www.morphos-team.net
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #445 on: February 26, 2015, 01:14:25 PM »
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My ability to read Belgianese is somewhat limited, and I won't even bother with translators, but didn't that Insolvency request specify that the hearing won't be until March 4th?

If so, Hyperion will probably be in business at least until then. After that, it's up to the courts/creditors.


No, it was declared insolvent on Jan 26th.  Today (Feb 26th) is the deadline for creditors (that would be including Devs that were never paid for their OS4 work) to file with Bert with their statement on what Hyperion owes them.  March 4th is when Bert compiles everything and presents a report on what to do with Hyperion (including liquidation option).  If a Dev does not file in a few hours, Hyperion is then free from ever having to pay that Dev for their work.

Now Ben has filed an appeal against the original (default) ruling.  However if the courts grant Ben another hearing, all Bert's work is going to be momentum working against Hyperion especially after the financial audit and all the debt that I doubt was ever included in Hyperion's book such as debt owed to Devs.  It's going to take a miracle.
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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #446 on: February 26, 2015, 02:56:16 PM »
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No, it was declared insolvent on Jan 26th.  Today (Feb 26th) is the deadline for creditors (that would be including Devs that were never paid for their OS4 work) to file with Bert with their statement on what Hyperion owes them.  March 4th is when Bert compiles everything and presents a report on what to do with Hyperion (including liquidation option).  If a Dev does not file in a few hours, Hyperion is then free from ever having to pay that Dev for their work.


I don't know Belgian law, but it doesn't work like that any place I know about and it'd be very odd (though possible) for Belgium to deviate substantially from most European countries in this respect.

A creditor that does not file a claim with the administrator will have severely reduced chance of getting a piece of the pie *if* Hyperion is liquidated, but only because in the case of liquidation the assets are irreversibly (for the most part) sold of or distributed to creditors, and the company (and hence the debt) ceases to exist at the end of the process. A claim does not just evaporate into thin air because a time limit set by the bankruptcy court passes (though depending on jurisdiction the difficulty in getting a claim recognised subsequently may vary)

If the company is not liquidated, claims are generally not affected at all any more than other contracts would be - the company would in that case generally go back to operating as if nothing had happened.

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Now Ben has filed an appeal against the original (default) ruling.  However if the courts grant Ben another hearing, all Bert's work is going to be momentum working against Hyperion especially after the financial audit and all the debt that I doubt was ever included in Hyperion's book such as debt owed to Devs.  It's going to take a miracle.


What you are suggesting is that you doubt that Hyperion has followed the law. If you are right, and there are debts owed to Devs or others that is valid, and that does not appear on Hyperions books, they've carried out accounting fraud to an extent that would be a criminal offence in most countries.

Just to make clear what we are talking about. If a lot of unknown debt surfaces, then that's far, far more serious than a bankruptcy claim - a bankruptcy only very rarely gives rise to criminal liabilities for the principals of the business (they main way that would happen would be if the principals of the business have known for some time that the business was insolvent without starting insolvency proceedings).

Unless you have something more concrete than unspecified "doubts" about their bookkeeping, that is speculation of a level best left until after we see what actually happens.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #447 on: February 26, 2015, 03:26:44 PM »
i bet $10 on that trevor will buy the os4 now.
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #448 on: February 26, 2015, 03:48:09 PM »
 

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Re: Hyperion bankrupt?
« Reply #449 on: February 26, 2015, 08:57:42 PM »
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I can say that Arix is another "AROS hosted on a Linux" distro with all the other Linux bits stripped away, no package manager, no Gnome/KDE, etc.


Something like amithlon then in concept ?

Just asking as I have a hard time getting into the sentiment of Amithlon being a good AmigaOS and hosted AROS just being a Linux distro.
Amithlon is also just a Linux distro with everything thrown out and some m68k emulation put on top.
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