Hyperion bankrupt?

[Rob]

Question: _IF_ Hyperion stays bankrupt, what will happen to AOS 4? AFAIK there are some clauses with Amiga Inc. that makes the whole thing complicated.

Can someone shed some light into this topic?

If you wish to speculate you might want to familiarise yourself with the settlement agreement.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxlY9g_OfLqDZTQyNGFkYzEtZDI5Zi00YzcxLThhODYtODcyZTg0M2I4MzQ1&hl=en

Two things I gleaned from it are;

1.  Transfer of the licenses requires approval of the Amiga Inc.

2.  The Agreement also affords the same rights it does to Hyperion to any parent or successor of Hyperion or any transferee.  This suggests that outright purchase of Hyperion may not require any formal approval from Amiga Inc in order to exercise the rights granted to Hyperion in the agreement.

I don't claim to be any authority on this and others may interpret it differently.

Personally I don't think it's really worth worrying about for now.  My X1000 still functions, A-EON are still working on the software they have promised and OS development is still ongoing.

Aside from a possible shortage of retail copies of OS4.1FE nothing has changed on the ground for now.

If Hyperion's appeal does fail in may be of concern to us but until such a time the status quo is maintained.

[amigakit]

@gizmo350



@rob
We have some nice software coming through soon. We are talking to key developers and obtaining agreements with them.

[QuikSanz]

@gizmo350,

Z's are very nice but getting too old for a stick. Next dream is a Nissan GTR, yum.

[giZmo350]

@gizmo350,

Z's are very nice but getting too old for a stick. Next dream is a Nissan GTR, yum.

Before I bought a brand new one in 2003, I drove both a stick and an auto... that six speed stick was ridiculously slow to get thru the gears... VERY quick to get up to speed though. The stick just wasn't gonna cut it (my 280ZX Turbo 5 speed was the bomb though!). Then I drove the 5 speed auto with triptronic - whilst turning off the traction control. HOLY CRAP! Manually shifting the triptronic makes the car a rocket! It is just habit now that everytime I get in the car I trun off the traction control. I bought the auto triptronic Touring model immediately!

Nissan GTR - oh yea baby! I have a Hot Wheels of one! :roflmao:

That's why my screen name is gizmo350.... (except I forgot to capitalize Z when I signed up) - 350Z! I'm just plain giZmo over at zcar.com

Oh, and I still have my '73 right hand drive Fairlady Z that I brought back from Japan in 1986. It now has a 2.8 liter fuel injected motor in it from an '82 280Z donor - also an auto!

[QuikSanz]

Lol, I have a 1970 Datsun P/U in good shape I'm thinking of a V6 to replace the 1600 to 1800 upgrade I've had in it for ever. Add limited slip, auto trans and done.

[amigadave]

That is just totally crazy! :crazy:

I just fell out of a timewarp.

The last time I read EAB the coders were all like Commander Adama 'No PPC Emulation while I am in command of this ship!'.  They were all like 'ppc is useless.  We will never have that.'  But now you are saying they allow PPC emu?  And is it any good?  How fast is it?  How compatible?

Holy crap you have exploded my brain!!!!


p.s. once again there is no appropriate smiley for how I am feeling at this moment.

I guess you have been busy under some rock (probably work, or personal life related) for the past year or so, while all the talk about adding PPC emulation to WinUAE has been going on.

Welcome back from your timewarp!

I have not tried OS4.1FE on WinUAE, or taken a good look at how fast it can run, since I have an X1000 to run OS4.x, but I would be interested in reading some test results that show real world performance results on varying PC hardware, to see just how useful, or fun AmigaOS4.1FE can be under emulation.

I have been highly critical of Hyperion due to many of their decisions over the last 10+ years, but I agree that lowering the price for AmigaOS4.1FE and making it available for people to run via WinUAE emulation is one of the smartest things they have done in many years, if not the smartest thing they have ever done.  Now just about anyone can try AmigaOS4.1 and decide for themselves if it is something they want to continue to use and/or invest further by obtaining dedicated PPC hardware to run it on.  It is not quite as good an option (IMHO) as the free 30 minute demo version of MorphOS, to introduce interested users to the platform, but it is 1,000 times better situation than we had before WinUAE added PPC support and users had to buy new or used PPC hardware costing between ~$500 to $3,000+ to run AmigaOS4.x.

My 2 cents.

[giZmo350]

Lol, I have a 1970 Datsun P/U in good shape I'm thinking of a V6 to replace the 1600 to 1800 upgrade I've had in it for ever. Add limited slip, auto trans and done.

Man, I wish I could get an LSD for my Fairlady! Can't find one... or pay a fortune if I could! I think an Amiga PPC card @270MHz would cost more though! :hammer: Last summer I just installed brand new 7/8" bars, front and rear from Stillen - need to give 'em a workout! :laugh1:

1970? Is the body in good shape? That would fly with a 1.8! My Fairlady weighs less than 2000 pounds - what's yours weigh?

Sorry OT again peeps!

[amigadave]

Lol, I have a 1970 Datsun P/U in good shape I'm thinking of a V6 to replace the 1600 to 1800 upgrade I've had in it for ever. Add limited slip, auto trans and done.

Those old Dastun pickups and 510's were awesome and the P/U's ran forever.  I can't believe that they let Toyota take over their market share in the small P/U segment without a fight.  Does Nissan even import a pickup to the USA anymore?  I can't remember seeing a Nissan pickup for a very long time.

The Toyota small pickups were better when they only offered 4 cylinder engines, IMO, as they were bullet proof and would run for 200,000 to 300,000 miles quite often.  The V6 engines are not as trouble free, but then none of the modern engines are as reliable it seems these days, and working on any of them has become a nightmare (currently have my 4.0L V6 Dodge Nitro taken apart trying to track down an over-heating problem and cursing every minute I work on it.  Why would any auto engineer think it is okay to put the thermostat and coolant temperature sensor at the very rear of an engine against the firewall, so that you are forced to remove the entire intake manifold just to see it, let alone trying to get wrenches or sockets on the fasteners to replace those items).

Have fun with your 1970 Datsun pickup, at least it should be easy to work on.  Now back to the original topic.

[QuikSanz]

@gizmo350,

Barely weighs at 2000 Pounds but has a 1 ton payload, Fitting more than half ton in the small bed is hard though. 1.8L has more torque with the same HP than 1.6L so not really faster but can pull better. BTW, all of it is in good shape bodywise except the cabin floor. Easily replaced.

Chris

PS: sorry folks, but I had to go OT. Even though it was getting stale.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I have been highly critical of Hyperion due to many of their decisions over the last 10+ years, but I agree that lowering the price for AmigaOS4.1FE and making it available for people to run via WinUAE emulation is one of the smartest things they have done

Maybe I missed the posts on this, but where did Hyperion actually provide any help on this at all?  From what I've seen they've been actively opposed to it (like that poor guy with his D-UAE thing recently).  I thought it was all the author (authors?) of WinUAE who did all the work.

Not trying to start a flame-war, just curious!  

[giZmo350]

@gizmo350,

Barely weighs at 2000 Pounds but has a 1 ton payload, Fitting more than half ton in the small bed is hard though. 1.8L has more torque with the same HP than 1.6L so not really faster but can pull better. BTW, all of it is in good shape bodywise except the cabin floor. Easily replaced.

Chris

PS: sorry folks, but I had to go OT. Even though it was getting stale.

@QuikSanz

Sorry last OT promise....
Here's a real quick vid of the Fairlady doin a nut in a really rough abandoned parking lot so going not too fast cause I didn't wanna tear up these brand new tires (still did though)....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0A-DeR742k

Racing the 350Z - doesn't look like I'm going very fast but doin about 120 in that 3rd turn!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpCEei9Xh-c

[amigadave]

No it isn't possible.  Hyperion own a license to modify not ownership.

It's too early for an April Fool's joke, so I guess I need to look into the possibility that this story may be true.

I would need to talk to Number 6 to get a clear (as clear as possible) explanation of the results of the agreement finally decided upon between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion and the courts/judge, when they resolved all of their lawsuits against each other.

I was under the impression that Hyperion owns AmigaOS4.x outright, not just a license to continue development of it, but then I never did look at the exact wording of the settlement, as it was not that important to me when it originally happened.  The rights to AmigaOS3.x and previous versions are much less clear to me (not that AmigaOS4.x is very clear to me), but I won't be surprised if Hyperion is able to sell the rights to AmigaOS4.x and that it can continue to be developed without any interference from Amiga Inc.

I will be disappointed if someone does not buy and continue to develop AmigaOS4.x.  My hopes are that if this story is true, that Hyperion is successful in selling the rights to continue to develop AmigaOS4.x to someone who will do a better job at completing AmigaOS4.2 quicker, or that they will Open Source AmigaOS4.x (highly unlikely).

Edit:  This is most likely just a misunderstanding and an over reaction by the community (as usual).

[QuikSanz]

@amigadave,

They have the Titan but they have brought back the Frontier, new mini.

Chris

[QuikSanz]

@gizmo350,

Can't drift at all in the WRX except in snow, all wheel traction control won't let it happen.

[Terminills]

It's too early for an April Fool's joke, so I guess I need to look into the possibility that this story may be true.

I would need to talk to Number 6 to get a clear (as clear as possible) explanation of the results of the agreement finally decided upon between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion and the courts/judge, when they resolved all of their lawsuits against each other.

I was under the impression that Hyperion owns AmigaOS4.x outright, not just a license to continue development of it, but then I never did look at the exact wording of the settlement, as it was not that important to me when it originally happened.  The rights to AmigaOS3.x and previous versions are much less clear to me (not that AmigaOS4.x is very clear to me), but I won't be surprised if Hyperion is able to sell the rights to AmigaOS4.x and that it can continue to be developed without any interference from Amiga Inc.

I will be disappointed if someone does not buy and continue to develop AmigaOS4.x.  My hopes are that if this story is true, that Hyperion is successful in selling the rights to continue to develop AmigaOS4.x to someone who will do a better job at completing AmigaOS4.2 quicker, or that they will Open Source AmigaOS4.x (highly unlikely).

Edit:  This is most likely just a misunderstanding and an over reaction by the community (as usual).

The issue with open sourcing is this.   Hyperion own AmigaOS4 however AmigaOS4 is based on AmigaOS 3 sources.  Hyperion's license was to use modify AmigaOS 3 to create new versions of AmigaOS.   Therefore it can never be open sourced as it's base doesn't belong to Hyperion.

[amigadave]

@gizmo350,

I like those old "Z" cars much better than the looks of the new ones.  1960's, & 70's were great times for modifying & driving (racing on back streets) cars.