ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS

[Karlos]

Rule violations:

"Amiga.org Webmasters' or Moderators' discretion:
Criticism of moderation decisions or the deletion of posts"

Seriously? You're pulling my leg, right?!

Just to be clear, in case you really are serious. Users aren't supposed to argue moderator's moderation decisions publicly. Do you see a moderation decision here?

Moderators are still users and are allowed opinions on whatever is being discussed. At least when I last checked.

[OlafS3]

I didn't need a 1.25 GB HDD for my A1200 in 1994 but I still went for it. You always find a use for more resource.

Incidentally, that drive still works 21 years later

I have a problem when I have to use the original low resolutions. If you normally use RTG you do not want to go back :-)

Of course you can never have enough resources. I see it now as a start of a new path and just the beginning. In future there will be better options.

[Karlos]

Fantastic!  What's the make & model of that puppy?  

Seagate Medalist, slimline 3.5 inch, "fast ATA", or vanilla IDE as it is otherwise known

[Karlos]

I have a problem when I have to use the original low resolutions. If you normally use RTG you do not want to go back :-)

True. The Bvision was the single biggest upgrade to my system since the first accelerator I installed (from vanilla 14MHz EC020/2MiB chip to full 25MHz 040 with 16MiB 60ns fast). Productivity software really does get transformed moving from AGA hires laced to flicker free RGB modes. I used a 1600x1200 75Hz 16-bit Workbench for years, though 1280x1024 is better on my ageing eyes these days.

[som99]

Seagate Medalist, slimline 3.5 inch, "fast ATA", or vanilla IDE as it is otherwise known

Nice! I still got a few Quantum Fireball drives from 1-4GB that works like a charm Always ahd luck with Quantum drives
Also had a big old 5.25" Quantum Bigfoot at 1.28GB but traded that some 10 years ago But it probably still works haha

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Seagate Medalist, slimline 3.5 inch, "fast ATA", or vanilla IDE as it is otherwise known

Nice!  Yeah, Seagate and Quantum, always seemed to have pretty good luck with those two brands.  I'm still stinging from a 500GB WD drive that I had to send in to a "clean room" recovery, after it crashed on my sister after only a year, taking with it all her European vacation pictures.  $600 for that recovery job, I got her an external backup drive the following Christmas!!  :laugh1:

Now I'm jealous of your Bvision resolutions, too.  Can't get that on my Spectrum!  

[amiman99]

The price for RAM chips are not the problem. The Vampire is how it is with its 64 MB RAM. The new boards are based on off-the-shelve boards that have the advantage to be cheap. These boards have a certain amount of RAM....

This is what they're using, Am I correct?
http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/arrow-development-tools/bemicrocv#ggQF

[ElPolloDiabl]

If you want more RAM use a big box Amiga. Otherwise there is an emulator that costs nothing.

[wawrzon]

Seriously? You're pulling my leg, right?!

he is just trying to reverse apply what he understood of the discussion when the real problems with the (so called) new appointed moderators have been the case, only the opposite direction. almost everybody sure understands you are posting your opinions here, and not being moderating or whatever. lets go on with substantial discussion, then.

[wawrzon]

I am not trolling.

well, you are not, but you could have refrained to call other names even if it was in return. your opinion might be disputable (see thors post) but even if you are right, which you technically might be, it would be better if you and tcl would refrain from turning this thread in an ot. ´we are witnessing a positive development that has been questioned enough.

tcl, welcome back, btw.

[kolla]

Where is Thor's post? And I'm sorry for being straight forward instead of doing passive-aggressive sarcastic replies like certain others here. If soneone posts dumb erronous stuff over and over, it should be perfectly fine to point it out. Oldsmobile does not even _try_ to see what TCL was stating, he and others went straight to ridicule and patrionizing. Why should we be ok with that?

[wawrzon]

@kolla
sorry i dont seem to find the post i was sure to be referring before, still tcl orthodox style of posting may make it over the top, and your discussion on 16/32 bit issue doesnt actually h3lp it. i understand that you might take your issue with less technically skilled, but there is a ladder to climb for everybody.

as one cheering this development for long and seeing it adjusted for the best benefit of the community, i check in, even though i dont have machine to run it  now, id say, we need to line up and help, as long as we don make us dependant on it.

[NovaCoder]

How to you estimate the 400 Mips requirement?
How many times faster than a 50 Mhz 68060 would the system need to be?

400 MIPS was just a guess, I know that 100 MIPS on my 060 falls a long way short.

WinUAE with 800 MIPS and it flies

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

@kolla
sorry i dont seem to find the post i was sure to be referring before, still tcl orthodox style of posting may make it over the top, and your discussion on 16/32 bit issue doesnt actually h3lp it. i understand that you might take your issue with less technically skilled, but there is a ladder to climb for everybody.

@wawrzon - I appreciate your calm and balanced approach to this discussion.  When I see such obvious absurdity related to a subject I'm fairly passionate about, I tend to respond with flip sarcasm and over-exaggeration.  However I take offense to the line "with less technically skilled".  I'm sure everyone on this forum has their own levels of technical proficiency.  I can't judge yours, you can't judge mine, etc.

Now on the discussion, so far on this thread we have seen tcl and kolla make statements that "The A600/68000 architecture is fully 32-bit, is only 32-bit, and will only ever be 32-bit".  That it "can address a full 4GB of RAM".  That Ibrowse and most other common Amiga productivity apps "require 2GB of memory".  They've called OP "silly" for only including 64MB of memory in his A600 accelerator, completely ignoring that their designs are based on a well-defined cost/benefit analysis.  They've called others "fools" and "dumbasses" for disagreeing with their statements, despite not offering a shred of documentary evidence to the contrary.

I'm not too old to learn.  If I'm wrong, prove me wrong.  Post a link to a whitepaper, or to the manual of Ibrowse showing where it says it "requires 2GB of memory".  Surely that shouldn't be too hard to dig up, right?  So far I have posted links and photos of technical documentation from Motorola/Freescale, Wikipedia, CPU-World, and even Commodore, backing up that the A500/A600-era 68000 architecture was considered 16/32-bit, even at that time.  They've also seen OP post that he can easily enable 64-bit execution in their new FPGA cores (which is awesome and something I'd love to hear more about!).  So far all they've posted has been opinion and conjecture.

This is a dumb argument and I have no dog in this fight, so I'll just close with a quote from one of my favorite movies, Interstellar:

"Alright Murph, you wanna talk science?
Don't just tell me that you're afraid of some ghost. No, you gotta go further.
You have to record the facts, analyze...
...get to the how and the why and present your conclusions. Deal?"
"Deal. -All right!"


#posted from my A2000 with 24MB of memory, and Ibrowse.  

[QuikSanz]

Back OT, I would prefer to have a one that has fast 060 with a fast buss, plenty of memory,"loved 128M on my Tek card before it died" and SATA. I'll take 1 for my A2000 & A4000T.

PS: the 4KT really should have 256M.

[NovaCoder]

Back OT, I would prefer to have a one that has fast 060 with a fast buss, plenty of memory,"loved 128M on my Tek card before it died" and SATA. I'll take 1 for my A2000 & A4000T.

PS: the 4KT really should have 256M.

Yes that's what I was saying earlier on this thread.

Obviously the Classic HW market is small these days but a single FPGA card design could be adapted for all Classic Amiga's without too much effort.   If such a card was priced competitively then it could be worth it.