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Offline Hans_

Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2014, 06:24:29 AM »
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Me, I see it as having to pay for an in-line service pack in the 4.1 chain, and then I'd have to pay for 4.2 again.  There's still bugs in 4.1 Update 6, just like there was in u5, u4, etc. - except it seems this time existing users are expected to pay for what to them, isn't a software revolution, but a service pack.  

NOTE: AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition will include new features that were previously going to be released in 4.2, i.e., features that were never going to be released for free to OS 4.1 users.

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2014, 06:38:48 AM »
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Just saying that I think there are better things to do with our time and energy than to complain about a 30 Euro update.

I wasn't complaining, it's not even something that affects me as I'm not an existing OS4.1 user. I just find Hyperion's business logic a little strange (because they are exposing themself to the Osborne effect - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect) and I'm relieved that I never bought a copy of OS4.1 in the past or during the next month, because I would probably be feeling let down by this. Surely we're all allowed to have an opinion about things and sympathy for fellow users.
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2014, 07:15:18 AM »
I agree that it is unfair. If there weren't people who paid $200 for it there would be no FE costing $30.
Still I won't complain about being able to get it for $30.
I assume 4.2 will cost $100 or more.
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2014, 07:35:05 AM »
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NOTE: AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition will include new features that were previously going to be released in 4.2, i.e., features that were never going to be released for free to OS 4.1 users.

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Personal view; I don't mind paying e30 to ensure my hobby is supported.

However, Hans' statement is interesting. These features that were to be in 4.2 will have already been paid for by X1000 buyers who have pre paid for 4.2?

It seems strange to pay for things twice, and is probably what is concerning some users.
 

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2014, 07:39:44 AM »
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I agree that it is unfair. If there weren't people who paid $200 for it there would be no FE costing $30.
Still I won't complain about being able to get it for $30.
I assume 4.2 will cost $100 or more.

If what I heard at Amiwest is true, all paid updates will cost 30 euros, I'm assuming that means for 4.2 for those who haven't pre-paid already, like the x1000 buyers.
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2014, 09:28:16 AM »
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Personal view; I don't mind paying e30 to ensure my hobby is supported.

Hopefully more people will feel this way.

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It seems strange to pay for things twice, and is probably what is concerning some users.


I don't see it as paying for things twice, especially at the low price that OS 4.1 FE will be sold for. I guess that you could call it paying to get access to those features sooner.

Don't worry, OS 4.2 will be worth its price based on the new features that it will bring (i.e., features that won't be part of OS 4.1 FE)

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2014, 10:59:53 AM »
From my "new" user perspective: 30 quid is an absolute bargain for a boxed OS, especially after several years worth of free patches. I'd have happily paid more, as it is I hope Hyperion sell/make enough to encourage and allow them to carry on.
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2014, 11:18:42 AM »
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However, Hans' statement is interesting. These features that were to be in 4.2 will have already been paid for by X1000 buyers who have pre paid for 4.2?

I kind of thought that too. I think the X1000 users should be given the choice if they want to support by paying 30€ or not. The same with the HD Radeon drivers IMO. And then get a huge "thank you for your extra support" in the credit list or something.

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AmigaOS 3.9 and before, AmigaOS 4, MorphOS and AROS are all hobby os'es. A hobby is something you do for fun, plain and simple. Let people have their fun in peace. As long as people have a chance to try out all the alternatives you can't fault them for choosing "the other camp".

That said, I think there should be more cooperation between the camps. Not between the different development teams (competition is good. Or at least inevitable) but between third party software developers. More multi-platform support of your programs. Don't stick to one platform! This could IMO turn this never ending flame war fest into one camp once again where the choice between an AmigaOS 4 machine and a MorphOS or AROS machine doesn't feel any different than if you chose a A600 with WB 2.05 or an A1200 with WB 3.1. Different flavours, same family.

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2014, 11:22:43 AM »
I paid for a good education at a private university and have a good job with a good income; that being said I have used Amiga's extensively and continuously from 1986 and find OS4.1 brilliant, with my Hyperion OS4.1 Classic forum threads having the highest number of hits/readers on the site (one is near 40,000). So $37.39 USD is nothing to support my hobby, the developers, the Amiga in general, and my happier and less stressful life than all the curmudgeons trolling the forums searching for a way to bolster their poor, sad lives by feeling something they said was smarter than "the other guy," who ever that is.
 

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2014, 12:08:58 PM »
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That said, I think there should be more cooperation between the camps. Not between the different development teams (competition is good. Or at least inevitable) but between third party software developers. More multi-platform support of your programs. Don't stick to one platform! This could IMO turn this never ending flame war fest into one camp once again where the choice between an AmigaOS 4 machine and a MorphOS or AROS machine doesn't feel any different than if you chose a A600 with WB 2.05 or an A1200 with WB 3.1. Different flavours, same family.

And damn the self-righteous! I got better things to do with my machine than hating away :D
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2014, 12:34:20 PM »
Duce, its your money, and obviously if you dont feel you get value for it, then not upgrading is fair game.

Personally I have never used AOS4 before. I joined AOS bandwagon after Toni did his PPC emulation, and I suspect Im not the only one.
As for pricing between versions; I just checked my local computer shop out of curiosity since we are making such a fuzz about it; Windows 7 is sold in store at the same price as Windows 8 (full price, and quite expensive), even after Win 8 have been out for a long time.
The store bought stocks of Win CDs for x price, and obviously wants to recover that cost.
I suspect its even more important for Amigakit to maintain the same salesprice to recover the cost due to lower sales volumes. Selling at a loss on our platform seems more critical from where Im sitting.

So, even tho my purchase of AOS 4 fullprice is relativly recent, I will defintly line up for both the FE version AND becoming AmigaStore customer.
Its now 6 years since last paid version of the OS? Just cause me or you purchased it x months ago doesnt change that fact.
I would be more worried that they DIDNT charge for a new OS version soon, cause how can they pay their developers without any income stream. Or any lisencing costs if needed.
If you operate with NO costrecouping, then you will stop dead in your tracks, no matter how idealistic you are.

I know this logic doesnt compute with the Moobunnies, but it was about time Hyperion charged for their OS again!
 

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2014, 01:52:31 PM »
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2014, 02:03:58 PM »
Of course, it's still up to the user if they want to spend their money.  Choice is a wonderful thing.  I'd honestly happily buy FE if I could be sure that if after that, if I bought 4.2 that I wouldn't be needing to pay another 30E for every 4.2 Update.  I spend more on coffee and meals at work per day than what FE costs, so it's not a matter of cost.  The cost is more than reasonable as long as every little update in the future isn't a pay for deal.

But it's still an in line, in rev. update.  I'm still being asked to pay 30 euros for an update to 4.1, an operating system that I already paid well over 100 euros for in the first place.  I'd be just as annoyed if MS was charging for in-line, in rev. updates (aka Service Packs).  This being said, it's one heck of a bargain for people entering the ecosystem, but I fear the future of all this and I am sincerely debating getting out of the OS4 game entirely, as in selling my OS4 machines outright.  That really annoys me in itself, since I'm finally developing for the platform and I'm having great fun with it :/  Of course, it's my option entirely

What I fear is I'd pay 30e for FE, then: 4.2 comes out and I'd need to spend another 100e or better on it (which is nearly twice what I paid for OEM Windows quite recently, btw) - then perhaps OS 4.2 Update 1 comes out and I'd be expected to pay another 30 euros for 4.2 Update 1, then another 30 E for 4.2 U2, another 30E for 4.2 Update 3, so on and so forth.

I fear getting milked out of my hard earned cash like I'm a stolen goat every single minuscule update.

Anyone from Hyperion willing to comment the upgrade path in the long term future on all this and whether or not every in line update from here on in will cost money?  It's a fair question and needs answering if it can be answered, especially when people that have paid (overpaid?) for the full 100 E 4.1 already.  I by no means begrudge a company from wanting to make money, but such questions are important to me and a real determining factor on if I am to stick with a platform.  I would have quit using Windows ages ago if they had charged for in line updates (aka Service Packs) and I haven't paid for a single OS X update since I got my one Mac 4 years ago, even on full rev updates.

I simply don't like things that aren't much more than subscription software rackets that are being masqueraded as something else, is all.  I'm sure that makes some sense, especially to the people that paid through the nose for 4.1 like I did.  Like I said, I'd feel the same if MS tried charging for the upgrade from Windows 8.0 to Windows 8.1, or started charging for any other in line SP's.

Forgive me if it seems like I'm wagging my finger at Hyperion.  In fact, I feel they are doing the smart thing offering FE for so cheap in light of UAE supporting PPC emulation, and I have no doubts they will sell many copies of FE.  I'd just like to know if I'm going to end up paying 30 for every little update in the in line rev.

What about the bugs currently in 4.1 U6?  Will those get fixed at all, or we must pay for FE to simply have long standing bugs fixed?  I'm just fine with paying for snazzy new features, but let's not ignore the fact there are bugs in U6 as is.
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2014, 02:08:13 PM »
When watching AmigaWest ssolie was asked about patches for the current AOS 4.1 version.

And IF I remember correctly He said that if they found some serious bugs/stuff that needed to be adressed critically then they would update.
For normal updates FE was the baseline.

Please correct me if Im wrong.

That said; risking Hyperion asking for money for every patch/upgrade; just to rehash my comment above; isnt the last time they asked for money 2008? And every update/patch since then have been free?
 

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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2014, 02:11:36 PM »
Let us just settle this debate with our wallets .
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Re: Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"
« Reply #44 from previous page: November 14, 2014, 02:27:31 PM »
If they said free updates till 4.2 and now are going back on their word...

They can't expect people not to complain.

Another money grab.

did x1000 users ever get all their drivers yet? I know thats perhaps a separate issue but not really... People making then breaking promises seems to be a c common thing in AOS4 land...

Whats next prepaying and getting promised a T-shirt?

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