Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"

[takemehomegrandma]

Hi all.

As a paying OS4 customer (been using OS4 on and off since the very first release for Amigaone XE G4), I just wanted to raise the issue of the new pricing policy regarding "OS4.1 FE", which in practice will be the seventh update of OS4.1.

I must say I feel more than a little tricked by this strange and sudden move.

I once paid 138,85 EUR (incl vat and shipment) for OS 4.1 (the Pegasos version) and had to wait 2 weeks for a  worthless CD I never had any use for (it has never even entered my CD-ROM, not once), since you have to download the  "4.1 update 1" ISO the first thing you do anyway, and install the OS from there. All the 4.1 updates were supposed  to be included, that was always "the deal", right? But now rules have changed,  and as reported in this thread I now obviously have to spend *even more* money on *another* worthless  physical "OS4.1" CD if I want to be able to download further 4.1 updates from  the Internet.

Also, the second hand market for OS4.1 disappeared in one blow by this. It will be impossible for me to sell "OS4.1.6", no matter the price, since it suddenly was rendered utterly worthless. Of course I knew that "OS4.2" would once again mean a new purchase (as has been communicated all along), but since I (and I'm not the only one) looks at "4.2" as some kind of utopia (with a promised feature set that is quite impossible in an *Amiga compatible* environment) I was - and still am - quite convinced that it will never actually happen, or at least take a *very* long time. So while I of course bought OS4.1 to use it, I still kind of presumed that there would be an option open to sell it as second hand to someone else down the road as long as "4.2" hadn't been released.

But this obviously changed with this sudden and unexpected decision to charge money once again for an OS4.1 update already!

I feel double-tricked, there is no way to move either forwards or backwards without either losing money already spent, or spend even more money. And remaining passive is not really an option either, since all upcoming OS4.1 updates will require "OS4.1.7"/"FE". I feel that this was never the deal. OS4.2 was to be the next paid update.

I think this really sucks.

[Karlos]

I feel like I just fell into some alternate reality. TMHG is an OS4.1 user?

[Kronos]

Nah, all OS4 users are just fakes.


Granny is just the most obvious one, closly followed by roschmyr:
http://www.geit.de/images/hm24092010/images/img_0880.jpg

*runs*

[SACC-guy]

sampson.  "My naked weapon is out. Quarrel, I will back thee."

lol

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Is that you, Franko? :rofl:

[Rob]

Hi all.

As a paying OS4 customer (been using OS4 on and off since the very first release for Amigaone XE G4), I just wanted to raise the issue of the new pricing policy regarding "OS4.1 FE", which in practice will be the seventh update of OS4.1.

I must say I feel more than a little tricked by this strange and sudden move.

I once paid 138,85 EUR (incl vat and shipment) for OS 4.1 (the Pegasos version) and had to wait 2 weeks for a  worthless CD I never had any use for (it has never even entered my CD-ROM, not once), since you have to download the  "4.1 update 1" ISO the first thing you do anyway, and install the OS from there. All the 4.1 updates were supposed  to be included, that was always "the deal", right? But now rules have changed,  and as reported in this thread I now obviously have to spend *even more* money on *another* worthless  physical "OS4.1" CD if I want to be able to download further 4.1 updates from  the Internet.

Also, the second hand market for OS4.1 disappeared in one blow by this. It will be impossible for me to sell "OS4.1.6", no matter the price, since it suddenly was rendered utterly worthless. Of course I knew that "OS4.2" would once again mean a new purchase (as has been communicated all along), but since I (and I'm not the only one) looks at "4.2" as some kind of utopia (with a promised feature set that is quite impossible in an *Amiga compatible* environment) I was - and still am - quite convinced that it will never actually happen, or at least take a *very* long time. So while I of course bought OS4.1 to use it, I still kind of presumed that there would be an option open to sell it as second hand to someone else down the road as long as "4.2" hadn't been released.

But this obviously changed with this sudden and unexpected decision to charge money once again for an OS4.1 update already!

I feel double-tricked, there is no way to move either forwards or backwards without either losing money already spent, or spend even more money. And remaining passive is not really an option either, since all upcoming OS4.1 updates will require "OS4.1.7"/"FE". I feel that this was never the deal. OS4.2 was to be the next paid update.

I think this really sucks.

You don't have to buy FE if you don't want to.  As for resale of your original 4.1 license, was that a factor in your decision to buy it in the first place?  How long ago did you buy 4.1 anyway?

Planned features for 4.2 are multicore support and Gallium 3D so not so useful for a Peg2 unless you can somehow get an updated BIOS that recognises PCIe cards.

[Niding]

Second hand market for OS CDs?

Hmm.. I know I have a Windows 95 CD somewhere... Any takers?

[giZmo350]

Hi all.

As a paying OS4 customer (been using OS4 on and off since the very first release for Amigaone XE G4), I just wanted to raise the issue of the new pricing policy regarding "OS4.1 FE", which in practice will be the seventh update of OS4.1.

I must say I feel more than a little tricked by this strange and sudden move.

I once paid 138,85 EUR (incl vat and shipment) for OS 4.1 (the Pegasos version) and had to wait 2 weeks for a worthless CD I never had any use for (it has never even entered my CD-ROM, not once), since you have to download the "4.1 update 1" ISO the first thing you do anyway, and install the OS from there. All the 4.1 updates were supposed to be included, that was always "the deal", right? But now rules have changed, and as reported in this thread I now obviously have to spend *even more* money on *another* worthless physical "OS4.1" CD if I want to be able to download further 4.1 updates from the Internet.

Also, the second hand market for OS4.1 disappeared in one blow by this. It will be impossible for me to sell "OS4.1.6", no matter the price, since it suddenly was rendered utterly worthless. Of course I knew that "OS4.2" would once again mean a new purchase (as has been communicated all along), but since I (and I'm not the only one) looks at "4.2" as some kind of utopia (with a promised feature set that is quite impossible in an *Amiga compatible* environment) I was - and still am - quite convinced that it will never actually happen, or at least take a *very* long time. So while I of course bought OS4.1 to use it, I still kind of presumed that there would be an option open to sell it as second hand to someone else down the road as long as "4.2" hadn't been released.

But this obviously changed with this sudden and unexpected decision to charge money once again for an OS4.1 update already!

I feel double-tricked, there is no way to move either forwards or backwards without either losing money already spent, or spend even more money. And remaining passive is not really an option either, since all upcoming OS4.1 updates will require "OS4.1.7"/"FE". I feel that this was never the deal. OS4.2 was to be the next paid update.
I think this really sucks.

Hmmm, here's a thought...
Instead of "all of that up there" maybe you could have just asked...

Hello AmigaKit, Hyperion & AmigaGods,
I was just wondering what the OS4.X upgrade path is for us PEG owners?

Thanks and have a very pleasant day, TMHG....

"I feel double-tricked, there is no way to move either forwards or backwards without either losing money already spent, or spend even more money."

[klx300r]

@ takemehomegrandma

hey TMHTG where you been bud:) I'm with Karlos on the alternate migi-verse thing btw...let's stick to our traditional roles here ok

[Paulie85]

Pancakes!

Sorry, wrong thread.

[amigadave]

My preference among Amiga and Amiga inspired platforms is clearly MorphOS3.7 on both my 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook, and my 2.7GHz Dual G5 PowerMac for both raw power, beauty of design, similarity to and compatibility with the much loved AmigaOS of the past, ease of use, availability of software and rate of progress from the MorphOS Team members in adding new features, or increasing the number of hardware choices supported.  Having put that into perspective, I feel embarrassed for any AmigaOS, MorphOS, or AROS user who would complain about paying for software updates by any of the remaining programmers who are still working on any part of our community.  Specially when the update price is only 30 Euros!

I appreciate the fact that MorphOS Team members have given us so much of their time and not asked for a single extra penny of payment for all of the updates they have provided since MorphOS2.0, but truthfully, I would have gladly paid 30 Euros for each and every one of those update releases, including the ones that are only bug fixes, because these programmers deserve to be paid for their time and efforts.

I will be buying AmigaOS4.1FE in the very near future, even though I do not use my AmigaOS4.x system nearly as often as I would like, due to real life issues at this point in time.  Let me repeat how embarrassed I am for anyone who complains about the cost of any software, or OS updates for our community.  But then some people just aren't happy (if they can ever be truly happy) unless they are complaining or being negative about something.  It is just a sad fact that our small community has such members, and that those members seem to be some of the most vocal on forums such as this one.  I can understand any user making a choice to NOT buy any particular software application or OS update, but why try to prevent any other users from being able to make their own choices, by discouraging the remaining programmers with your complaints?  Okay, you are unhappy that they are asking to be paid for their work, I don't agree with your opinion, but I understand it.  Just don't buy AmigaOS4.1FE, as it is clear that you don't prefer to use AmigaOS4.x anyway, and have not supported or promoted AmigaOS4.x for years now, only posting negative comments about it and it's programmers on forums and pointing out your opinions of why MorphOS is so superior.  I think it is a surprise to everyone, including myself, that you would complain about something that you clearly don't have any interest is supporting or using any longer.

[nyteschayde]

30 euros doesn't seem like much to me either. I have a PowerMac G5 secured for use with MorphOS but haven't paid the price for it yet so getting situated with it hasn't happened yet. My OS4 machine is an A1200T with a BPPC 060 and 603e; both clocked. The problem with the BPPC is the 603e needs a fan attached and I haven't found the right sized one nor the best way to attach it. Without one, it overheats.

[amigasociety]

Great words AmigaDave.


TJ

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

maybe TMHG does not really care about any Amiga style OS and hopes to drive everyone away?

Maybe TMHG is actually Bill McEwen? Sorry, I have nothing profound to add to this thread, AmigaDave already said it.

[amigasociety]

Maybe TMHG is actually Bill McEwen? Sorry, I have nothing profound to add to this thread, AmigaDave already said it.

Maybe just ignoring such threads is in my better interest.  Not sure why I even read this one.  Will stick to only reading threads of interest.

TJ