Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"

[amigasociety]

Maybe TMHG is actually Bill McEwen? Sorry, I have nothing profound to add to this thread, AmigaDave already said it.

Maybe just ignoring such threads is in my better interest.  Not sure why I even read this one.  Will stick to only reading threads of interest.

TJ

[giZmo350]

[A6000]

Move on!  Leave us alone.  If you don't like it, then go do something else.

I notice tmhg voicing concerns over what he sees as unfair pricing issues and EVERYONE is lining up to attack him, moderators are quick to delete posts they don't approve of but are not bothered by these attacks.

We classic users saw this as our spiritual home only to see it invaded by rabid os 4 users who already have their own forums, now you are telling us to go from here!

Edit by Moderator:  The above statement is not true.  As soon as I saw the post with personal attacks in it, I immediately contacted the posting member and asked that they self moderate their post and remove any personal attacks.  It is difficult for some to express differences of opinions without wandering into personal attacks, but when it happens, the moderators here will attempt to get the offending posters to correct their mistakes.  If you notice any personal attacks we have missed, please use the "Report Post" button to bring any offending post to our attention.  We can't be everywhere all of the time.

[Niding]

Hey now, im just a classic user myself, and dont mind people asking money for their efforts once in a while.

If the OS upgrade doesnt give value for money then noone is forcing you to buy it.

Its like me with Win 7 and 8. I tried Win 8 for a bit. Didnt like it and reverted to Win 7.
Some people like it and some dont. Im not going to hound Microsoft over it tho.

Its not like Hyperion has asked for money at every turn. 6 years since last time or?
I do find it curious that the Amiga community insist that everything have to be free.

[klx300r]

I notice tmhg voicing concerns over what he sees as unfair pricing issues and EVERYONE is lining up to attack him, moderators are quick to delete posts they don't approve of but are not bothered by these attacks.

We classic users saw this as our spiritual home only to see it invaded by rabid os 4 users who already have their own forums, now you are telling us to go from here!

lol surely you've been here for a while so you know TMHTG shtick here:confused:  if you just check in every one & a while then read the posts carefully following the OP's and I think you'll see there's no issues at all with classic users as the majority of OS4 users are still 'classic' users:)

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

We classic users saw this as our spiritual home only to see it invaded by rabid os 4 users who already have their own forums, now you are telling us to go from here!

I dunno. I've used both, appreciate both... what I don't appreciate are when people turn every innocuous thread into a red v. blue slugfest. Most of the posts by OS4 users seem more like this:



and less like this:



But maybe that's just my IMHO.

[giZmo350]

I dunno. I've used both, appreciate  both... what I don't appreciate are when people turn every innocuous  thread into a red v. blue slugfest. Most of the posts by OS4 users seem  more like this:



and less like this:



But maybe that's just my IMHO.

Hey Mike, I think you got your pictures mixed up! :rofl:

[amigadave]

Please don't try to put users of either platform into any group of personalities.  We have both good and bad in both camps.  Celebrate the good and ignore the bad is the best advice I can give.

[Minuous]

tmhg has made some valid points. OS4 versioning and pricing seems quite random and gives no confidence about the future. If I had bought OS4.1 I would expect free upgrades to OS4.1 until OS4.2 is released. Just like Windows service packs or AmigaOS boing bags are free and always have been.

By preannouncing FE weeks/months ahead Hyperion have shot themselves in the foot somewhat, as no one is likely going to buy the existing version of OS4 now for hundreds of dollars and not get any updates.

[Rob]

tmhg has made some valid points. OS4 versioning and pricing seems quite random and gives no confidence about the future. If I had bought OS4.1 I would expect free upgrades to OS4.1 until OS4.2 is released. Just like Windows service packs or AmigaOS boing bags are free and always have been.

By preannouncing FE weeks/months ahead Hyperion have shot themselves in the foot somewhat, as no one is likely going to buy the existing version of OS4 now for hundreds of dollars and not get any updates.

You complain about charging extra for FE in one sentence and then in the next say they should have held back the announcement so they could make more money from new customers.

Is it just me that finds this funny?

[Rob]

We classic users saw this as our spiritual home only to see it invaded by rabid os 4 users who already have their own forums, now you are telling us to go from here!

I've been using Amiga.org since I had an A1200 as my primary system way back in '99.  So I'm certainly not some invading OS4 user even if the A1200 is long gone.  I don't consider myself to somehow be a different type of Amiga user to what I was back then.

[Minuous]

You complain about charging extra for FE in one sentence and then in the next say they should have held back the announcement so they could make more money from new customers.

Is it just me that finds this funny?

I never said it shouldn't have been announced. A more logical way for it to have been handled would have been to immediately cut the price of the existing OS4.1 release (to 30 euros or less) at the same time as making the announcement. The way it has been handled doesn't really benefit Hyperion or the users much, it's the worst of both worlds.

OS4.1.7 really should be designated as OS4.2 if it is such a significant upgrade. If it isn't so significant, there's no reason to charge for it.

[amigadave]

tmhg has made some valid points. OS4 versioning and pricing seems quite random and gives no confidence about the future. If I had bought OS4.1 I would expect free upgrades to OS4.1 until OS4.2 is released. Just like Windows service packs or AmigaOS boing bags are free and always have been.

By preannouncing FE weeks/months ahead Hyperion have shot themselves in the foot somewhat, as no one is likely going to buy the existing version of OS4 now for hundreds of dollars and not get any updates.

I agree that the situation is not ideal, but I don't think that anyone involved thought that AmigaOS4.2 would take this long to complete.  My disappointment with the whole situation is how Hyperion handled previous promises and announcements regarding what would be included within AmigaOS4.2, which tied their hands.  In my mind, maybe it would have been better to just release everything that is completed and tested now as AmigaOS4.2 and apologize for the missing promised features that have taken longer to implement than anticipated, but we all know how critical some members of our community are and there is not any single path that Hyperion could have taken that would have satisfied everyone.

I see no problem is asking for an interim paid update prior to all of the promises made for 4.2 being completed, as I don't mind paying programmers for their time and effort.  I don't care what version numbers they use, but as I just wrote, some people would have criticized Hyperion no matter what they did.  Users who wish to continue supporting Hyperion's efforts to move forward will buy this latest update, and those who disagree with their actions for what ever reasons, will not.

It certainly is not easy being a Next Gen Amiga user, it never has been easy, but look at the progress that is being made in several areas of our community and I hope you can find something to be happy about and enthusiastic with your support of that part of our community.  Knowing a little about your past software development, I would hope that the recent announcements regarding incredible speed increases for FPGA 68k soft cores, would excite you and possibly give you more incentive to do more new programming for the 68k Amiga platforms and clones (but let's not go off topic about that here).  Just saying that I think there are better things to do with our time and energy than to complain about a 30 Euro update.

Personally, if I had any criticism of any of our remaining programmers, payment for their time and effort would not be one of them.  We have so few knowledgeable programmers left in our community, let us not drive any of them away by complaining about something as trivial as a 30 Euro request for an update.

Your points are valid, but I don't see them as very important in the larger scope of what is going on in our community.

[sundown]

@AmigaDave

Post #17

"We classic users saw this as our spiritual home only to see it invaded by rabid os 4 users who already have their own forums, "

Rabid os4 users? I consider that a personal attack on me & all os4 users. Getting tired of some getting called for personal attacks & other getting away with it.

[Duce]

I got lambasted as well when I pointed out that the value for existing, paid in full 4.1 owners is a little less than great.

Of course, the first time buyers that will be buying it (FE) will be ecstatic - 30 Euros versus the 120 Euros or so I paid for 4.1 for SAM440ep.  Me, I see it as having to pay for an in-line service pack in the 4.1 chain, and then I'd have to pay for 4.2 again.  There's still bugs in 4.1 Update 6, just like there was in u5, u4, etc. - except it seems this time existing users are expected to pay for what to them, isn't a software revolution, but a service pack.  I'm sure the PPC emulation guys or others that haven't already paid for 4.1 once already are just ecstatic about a 30 Euro price, so God Speed to them, I guess.  Luckily, I don't have to pay for it, and won't.  If I keep my SAM, Update 6 will have to do, but more likely I'll just sell it and switch to MOS entirely.  I'd hate to upgrade to 4.2 on my SAM and then have 4.2 service packs start costing 30 Euros a pop.

And with that, Hell has officially frozen over. TMHG and I have agreed on something

[Hans_]

Me, I see it as having to pay for an in-line service pack in the 4.1 chain, and then I'd have to pay for 4.2 again.  There's still bugs in 4.1 Update 6, just like there was in u5, u4, etc. - except it seems this time existing users are expected to pay for what to them, isn't a software revolution, but a service pack.  

NOTE: AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition will include new features that were previously going to be released in 4.2, i.e., features that were never going to be released for free to OS 4.1 users.

Hans