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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2014, 11:14:02 PM »
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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2014, 03:28:58 AM »
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I welcome a merger.


Naa, I prefer not, I prefer AW.net as it is :) Or sell it to me so I can fix all the site bugs and make some subtle feature additions and trying to keep the peace between the different camps :) I got the coding skills at least ;)

But if they want a merge, that's up them, then...
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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 03:37:01 AM »
@amoskodare

i'm with you on this one. amigadave and i had the opportunity to talk about all of this with trevor and matthew today and the overwhelming feeling i got from them is that they want the sites to be run 'by the members, for the members.' so, no, i really don't think they'd want to merge the sites at all. i'm only a mod here, 'cause i love this site and the folks on it. i kinda want to keep things as-is. :)

in any case i'm sure A-EON will formally announce things shortly once everyone gets home from amiwest (which was great, by the way).

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 03:49:24 AM »
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@amoskodare

i'm with you on this one. amigadave and i had the opportunity to talk about all of this with trevor and matthew today and the overwhelming feeling i got from them is that they want the sites to be run 'by the members, for the members.' so, no, i really don't think they'd want to merge the sites at all. i'm only a mod here, 'cause i love this site and the folks on it. i kinda want to keep things as-is. :)

in any case i'm sure A-EON will formally announce things shortly once everyone gets home from amiwest (which was great, by the way).

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To merge them.

@eliyahu

I'm glad you had a chance to talk to Matt and Trevor about the AWN acquisition... and I'm sure your right about an official announcment... but don't you think Everblue's response was just speculation anyway? I mean, I doubt Trevor would buy AWN just to dispose of it. Probably cost a pretty penny. Plus, I think that if the two sites have different moderators that they will retain their respective flavors and users.
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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 04:25:24 AM »
Thanks Eliyahu.

I'm also on my way home from Amiwest

Although there is definately some crossover, I think that both forums have their own unique feel and flavour. I for one see no reason for a merger of the forrums. I also believe that both community forums should be run by the members for the benefIt of the members.

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 06:22:52 AM »
In retrospective, my "to merge them" comment is missing an '?' at the end of it.
 

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 08:15:25 AM »
Conspiracy theorists unite! (just kidding)

I just got home after an 8-1/2 hour drive home from the 2014 AmiWest Show in Sacramento, and I am beat, but I wanted to reassure the members of Amiga.org (as well as those of AmigaWorld.net), that there are no grand designs, or ulterior motives, behind the acquisition of Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net by Trevor and Matthew.  I am really tired of reading the accusations by some members, that both Trevor and Matthew are so involved in and tied to AmigaOS4.x & Hyperion that they will censor information, news articles, or member opinions, which favor any other Amiga, or Amiga inspired platform that is NOT AmigaOS4.x and NG related.  Anyone who really knows anything about AmigaKit would remember that most of their sales come from Classic Amiga users, and they are not likely to turn their back on those customers, or anger them by supporting only the (fewer numbers of) AmigaOS4.x users on NG hardware.  Trevor has supported much more than ONLY AmigaOS4.x projects, and given his enormous collection of every kind of AmigaOS1.x to 3.x, MorphOS, AROS and AmigaOS4.x systems, I expect him to continue his support for all facets of our community long into the future.  It is in Trevor's and A-Eon's best interest to encourage the porting of all Amiga inspired operating systems to their hardware, not just AmigaOS4.x, to gain the largest number of customers and users for the future.  It is yet to be seen if any of the other operating systems (besides AmigaOS4.x) will be ported to any A-Eon hardware, but if it is not, it won't be from a lack of trying to convince those other platforms on Trevor's part.

After talking with Trevor and Matthew earlier today about both Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net, it was clear to me that they want both sites to remain in the hands of their respective members and the community at large.  Each site has a slightly different primary focus, due to their history and the makeup of their members preferences, but both sites allow the discussion of all parts of the diverse Amiga community.  The only changes I have ever heard or read from Trevor or Matthew, is their desire to increase the sense of "friendliness" at both sites, where all members of our community can feel welcome, and no one will feel bullied, or discriminated against.  To achieve that goal, some members who have gotten away with bullying, or rude behavior in the past on either site, will be asked to follow the posted Forum Posting Guidelines, or "Cardinal Rules", here at Amiga.org, with special emphasis toward respecting your fellow members and stopping all personal attacks and insults.  Members who fail to follow the site rules will be warned and asked to self moderate themselves.  Any member who refuses to follow the rules repeatedly, will be warned again and may have their posts which violate the site rules edited by a moderator, if they refuse to edit out any portion of their own posts which a moderator has informed them violates the site rules.  Continued violations may lead to further actions by moderators to encourage compliance with the Posting Guidelines & Cardinal Rules, but we are all adults here and that should not be necessary.  Respect each other and don't make forum posts personal.  Use your common sense when posting, and everyone will get along fine, because believe me when I say that no one wants to moderate what another has written, unless absolutely necessary.

A few members here at Amiga.org have made outrageous accusations and outright rude remarks toward Trevor, Matthew, AmigaKit, and/or A-Eon during these first few months since the acquisition of Amiga.org was announced.  At first the "Venting" was allowed, in hopes that it would die down and forum postings would return to normal on their own, but after repeated attempts by a few members to stir up trouble on the forums, finally one or two of them were given temporary posting restrictions after several warnings were ignored.  Claims of censorship, or favoritism in approving news items are untrue and unfounded.  The primary behavior that is being moderated lately is rude or hateful attacks by a very small minority of vocal members.  No matter what false perceptions 2 or 3 members may have been trying to promote about Amiga.org's new owners and their motivations, I know from personal experience with both Trevor and Matthew, that their intentions are for the good of all community members.  They are not aimed at only one part of the Amiga Universe, at the expense of all other parts and members of the community.  Anyone using their own common sense should be able to understand and see that for themselves, but a few people appear to have their own agenda and reasons for spreading false rumors and accusations.  I hope that most of the community can see through those transparent attempts to stir up trouble, and ignore them for the useless posts that they are.

Trevor and Matthew are good people trying to do what they think is best to support all sides of the remaining Amiga community.  You may disagree with their decisions on how to best go about supporting the community (I don't always agree with everything that they decide to do), but if you are truly objective, I would hope you can at least admit that their intentions are  to be helpful, even if you yourself might have chosen different methods on how to best support the Amiga community.

I feel that one of the best things about Trevor and Matthew are that they both listen to Amiga users and they are willing to invest their time and money into this community.  If you don't agree with what they are doing, write to them and provide your point of view on what things they can do to make this community better, but don't be angry if they make different choices than you would have made.  After all, it is their time and money that they are investing.  Be thankful that they welcome feedback and suggestions, and that they listen and care about what happens to this niche community and remember that both Trevor and Matthew support all parts of our community, not just AmigaOS4.x and NG hardware, even though they have invested a very large sum of money and time into those two parts.

Forgive the long post, but I felt I had been mostly silent long enough, and needed to clarify a few misconceptions, plus I wanted to reassure members that this is still their site, and we only want to make it better and friendlier.
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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 12:18:09 PM »
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Conspiracy theorists unite! (just kidding)

Read this and keep your jokes to yourself. Apparently, the thought police arrived on a.org. For real.

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After talking with Trevor and Matthew earlier today about both Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net, it was clear to me that they want both sites to remain in the hands of their respective members and the community at large.

Then, maybe, you could ask them why the first thing they did was to appoint a moderator that has zero connections with the Amiga community and apparently no idea about moderating a forum? A moderator that wreaks havoc to this site in a way that makes DFX's or Mikey_C's moderating styles look somewhat sane? Why is this guy here, and why is he so out of control?

I'll tell you what kind of answers you'll get: "We missed that", "it was a honest mistake", "we're still learning". There's only so many times you can use this excuse until it's no longer credible, you know.

(Disclaimer: Yes, Kjmann, I'm talking about you. I'm disagreeing with your moderation decisions in public. Learn to deal with it. And I assure you, I have tons of very dark thoughts regarding Amigakit, A-EON and you.)
 

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2014, 12:43:29 PM »
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the word is, this may be excused since the guy is originally atari user, i hear ;)
 

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2014, 12:45:40 PM »
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Then, maybe, you could ask them why the first thing they did was to appoint a moderator that has zero connections with the Amiga community and apparently no idea about moderating a forum? A moderator that wreaks havoc to this site in a way that makes DFX's or Mikey_C's moderating styles look somewhat sane? Why is this guy here, and why is he so out of control?

Just because I haven't been on this forum since I first purchased my original A500 in 1989, I guess in your book that means I know nothing about the Amiga. I have been active in the Local Amiga community where I live for several years. I have come up with some hardware for the Amiga and games for the Atari XL 8-bit computers. Matthew is well aware of my credentials. I'm sorry if you don't like my moderation style, but I take a very no nonsense attitude toward people who just like to "stir the pot" so to speak.

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I'll tell you what kind of answers you'll get: "We missed that", "it was a honest mistake", "we're still learning". There's only so many times you can use this excuse until it's no longer credible, you know.

Once again, Matthew is well aware of my credentials.

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Quite frankly, I don't care either way what you think of me. you're entitled to your opinion and since this is directed at me I'll let another moderator deal with it if they think it violates the TOS of A.org. after all, I trust their judgement.

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2014, 03:52:29 PM »
I am really grateful that we have people like Trevor and Matthew.  Super  grateful!  I went to Amiwest on Saturday and spoke with the folks and  they are awesome top notch people.  I was just thinking how lucky we are  to still have Amigakit.  I think about the days when I would choose  between buying my latest Amiga game from Software Select (a local chain  store in our local shopping mall) or Applied Computer Systems (a real  Amiga store we used to have in Sacramento), or Safe Harbor, or Software  hut.  Now All those retailers are gone but thankfully we have AmigaKit.   I know nobody is making a great living off Amiga stuff anymore, so the  few companies that do this out of love for for our machines are like  heroes to me and I think we should be treating them like heroes.
Having  those companies owning our amiga boards is not like Big Brother  censorship, its more like we are soccer players and we just got a paid  sponsor.  We should be super excited someone is putting money into our  beloved hobby.
And in terms of who is moderating the site; I say big  deal.  Employees always complain when a company brings in a new manager  who wasn't with the company for a long time.  But just like that  situation sometimes it is better to have someone from the outside who  isn't on anyone's side, or camp, who doesn't have history with anyone,  or hard feelings or a beef with anyone in charge.  He can be more  objective more often than not.
I accept that my opinion on this issue  may be completely the opposite of some others, but I just wanted to  voice my respect and appreciation for the companies in question for what  they are doing for the whole Amiga community.  I want them to hear it,  because if I was one of those companies shelling out money and time  trying to make a positive impact on a small niche community and then I  read a bunch of negative responses I would be kind of disheartened.  So I  want them to know there are those amongst us that are super grateful!
 

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2014, 04:27:06 PM »
Great news! :)
 

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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2014, 04:36:15 PM »
Quote from: cgutjahr;775807
Read this and keep your jokes to yourself. Apparently, the thought police arrived on a.org. For real.


Then, maybe, you could ask them why the first thing they did was to appoint a moderator that has zero connections with the Amiga community and apparently no idea about moderating a forum? A moderator that wreaks havoc to this site in a way that makes DFX's or Mikey_C's moderating styles look somewhat sane? Why is this guy here, and why is he so out of control?

I'll tell you what kind of answers you'll get: "We missed that", "it was a honest mistake", "we're still learning". There's only so many times you can use this excuse until it's no longer credible, you know.

(Disclaimer: Yes, Kjmann, I'm talking about you. I'm disagreeing with your moderation decisions in public. Learn to deal with it. And I assure you, I have tons of very dark thoughts regarding Amigakit, A-EON and you.)
I see that the name of this site is AMIGA dot org!
Not the "dark thoughts" site.

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2014, 04:39:42 PM »
kjmann should step down as mod. No offense, but his way of going about things just isn't a good match for this place, neither for the current user base or the reputation of AmigaKit/Aeon. I think the current mods got it handled, but if that's not the case, why not promote a regular everybody knows and respects to the spot?
 

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Re: A-EON Technology and AmigaKit Buys Amigaworld.net
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 27, 2014, 04:44:31 PM »
@ dschallock

+ 1,000,000 & very well said:hammer: It's sad that unfortunately the loudest here are the trolls & naysayers that fortunately don't have a voice on other more strictly moderated Amiga forums. If only they spent their time doing something positive for their preferred OS of choice rather than making fools of themselves by mocking other peoples work & investments but alas that advice has been handed to them time & time again so I woudn't hold your breath friend until moderation here gets serious about making it 'a more friendlier place'
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