I am giving up AmigaOS4

[Ilwrath]

@magicSN

Nonsense.

Care to elaborate?  Really...  If there's a flaw with the idea, how about some constructive criticism?  

Point me to any signs of recent progress.  Hyperion have even announced they are working on other projects.  

Hyperion announces Gorky 17 project

From a quick glance over their team and size, it doesn't look like they can support multiple projects of this size.  That means AmigaOS4 is basically sitting at some form of an impasse, while the Linux and AOS4 versions of Gorky 17 are developed, correct?

I merely posed my theory as to why they would change course like this.  

Please tell me how this is nonsense.

[Jupp3]

AFAIK there are noticably more AmigaOne owners than Pegasos-owners.

And how many more AmigaOne owners you consider there are?

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Ilwrath wrote:

Out of curiousity, I really would like to see an A1 run AmigaOS4. (no demo that I know of has been within less than 400 miles of my city...)  It would just be fascinating to see how much of it is really ready.

Yeah It's really best to see the results for yourself. I saw it in december, and it was looking very good.  It's really just the gfx system that needs to be completed.

But it's really an unfortunate situation.  I think Hyperion is purposefully being slow.  I'd guess they are hoping AI will finally die, so they can keep the cut of profits AI would claim.  While, of course, AI has no money, but is doing it's best Black Knight "I'm not dead yet!" impression -- hoping to collect money from Hyperion or the mystery investors.  

So it's just a waiting game.  Who will blink first?  Will AI croak?  Or will Hyperion just say "screw it" and write off the losses to be able to collect something?  Who knows?  Both companies have a lot to lose by being the first to give in, though.  Meanwhile, the Amiga fans continue to suffer, while the technology turns more and more outdated and useless.  If no one breaks the stalemate soon though, it won't matter who won the squabble.  It'll all be worthless.

I really hope I'm wrong....  It would be a sad and petty end for the greatest computer ever.  :-(

I think you're waaaaay out there. The longer OS4 takes, the more money Hyperion lose, simple as that.  Amiga Inc. have to buy back the code once it's completed anyway.  

And if AI croaks, guess who'll be in there like a flash to buy up the name? No, AI needs Hyperion and Hyperion needs AI (at the moment)

No-one will benefit from delaying OS4 (except Genesi to a certain extent)

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Ilwrath wrote:

Point me to any signs of recent progress.  

You really haven't been paying attention.

Hyperion have even announced they are working on other projects.  

Hyperion announces Gorky 17 project

From a quick glance over their team and size, it doesn't look like they can support multiple projects of this size.  That means AmigaOS4 is basically sitting at some form of an impasse, while the Linux and AOS4 versions of Gorky 17 are developed, correct?

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! How do you think that Hyperion have been able to fund the OS4 project?  They have to take on other projects at the same time (part of the reason it's taken longer than expected), Hyperion have worked on other projects during the last 2 years or so.

Your leap of logic just doesn't go.

[magnetic]

Oh boy
 Here we go again..

MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold.. and you KNOW deep in your heart its not where near as many as Pegs out there.

@Others

I use MOS 1.4.2 daily as main box.. I have Macs, Pcs, and linux box on LAN...

I also use my Peg2 G4@1ghz with Debian Linux 2.4.24 and its very fast - some things faster than 3ghx Athlon!

Also, MOS 1.5 is coming soon with tons of features..

OS4 will never catch up.. though it has nice features. I sold my Cyberstorm PPC cuz I waited 2 years for it. I have friends in Amiga clubs here that are pissed cuz they built a $1000+ A1 crap linux box and no OS4...

Lets face it: Until you release numbers of A1 sold (embarassing) and OS4 (we wont go there)

I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.

magnetic

[Jupp3]

I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them.

Guess that would result in LOTS of negative critique from many existing AmigaOne owners...

But somehow I agree - it should be top priority to get the OS released on ANY platform... Then consider announcing ports for other platforms.

[Linchpin]

Hmm.. i agree with amidelf in a way.. its taking too long. I am holding out for a new computer system, my pc is just dying a death and my a1200 is outdated without a nice gfx card and other addons that cost the earth and im just not prepared to fork out for hardware that will proberbly just bring my amiga up to my PC's sorta speed. I dont want a peg, no way (no offence to peg users, its just not the solution of my choice). I really need to get a new system. I am prepared to pay the extra over a PC for a A1, but no way am i blowing that kinda cash on a linux box. Never. I cant wait much longer tho, my PC is really starting to struggle (a 450 AMD, so its old), and even the oldest apps are not running on it very well.

Choices... and which one to make?

I have the cash for an A1 coming soon, maybe i will just spend it on a fast PC and the rest on my car.. maybe i dont know anymore.

Hopefully OS4 will be ready soon.. how long have people been saying that? Way too long....

Kev.

[DaveP]

MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold..

And so do I.

 and you KNOW deep in your heart its not where near as many as Pegs out there.

I KNOW from a simple SQL query, and counting of unique users on mailing lists that it is more than the number of Pegs out there claimed by Genesi recently on ppcnux.

But that doesn't matter, Im sure you can persaude me, deep in my heart, to believe you. ;-)

I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.

On the contrary Im not surprised about you saying any of these things. Still thats not what I heard, Ive heard rumours that a price tag was named and Bill Buck didn't have the money. I've also heard that 40,000 Euros wasn't enough to license the Atari name. Go figure.

I'm more convinced each time I read one of your posts that you do not know how the computer industry works, the cost of anything or even much about running engineering projects.

Quite what is your area of expertise?

I also use my Peg2 G4@1ghz with Debian Linux 2.4.24 and its very fast - some things faster than 3ghx Athlon!

Careful, sounds like the kind of claim that KennyR finds so risible. :rofl

[Ilwrath]

@uncharted

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! How do you think that Hyperion have been able to fund the OS4 project? They have to take on other projects at the same time (part of the reason it's taken longer than expected), Hyperion have worked on other projects during the last 2 years or so.

Perhaps I'm misjudging their size... But what projects HAS Hyperion taken on on the side, recently (post 2001)?  It looks like the most active part of their website is the Amiga products, and those can't be generating much income.  

Since they show no clear signs of income, I assumed that at this stage Hyperion consists mainly of three or four individuals who may or may not be accepting delayed payments.  Low income, but also low expenditures.  Signs of a small (but efficient) team.

@magnetic

I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.

Yes, this seems strange, doesn't it.  One might guess there is something restricting them from doing this.  Perhaps the departure of AI would also help this situation?

[Damion]

@AmiDelf

Congrats on your decision, I can say that I've had a good experience so far with the Pegasos.

And don't listen to anyone who says MorphOS is "buggy"...MorphOS 'itself' is
very functional and stable compared to any classic/3.9 setup...in fact,
mine now rests peacefully in the closet.

[DaveP]

The OS4 development team does not just consist of Hyperion employees.

Yes, this seems strange, doesn't it. One might guess there is something restricting them from doing this. Perhaps the departure of AI would also help this situation

Nah, perhaps Genesi saving up money in the piggybank will help this sisutation. Perhaps thats why they dropped their advertising banners, for that very reason. A penny saved and all that.

[Elwood]

Hi,

I just would like people to know that some Peg owners are switching to A1. At least I know one of them who said the Peg1 hardware was so bad that he was happy to have an A1 now.

[Golem!dk]

On the contrary Im not surprised about you saying any of these things. Still thats not what I heard, Ive heard rumours that a price tag was named and Bill Buck didn't have the money. I've also heard that 40,000 Euros wasn't enough to license the Atari name. Go figure.

Oh you want rumours? Like how Genesi approached Hyperion but got no serious response? Possibly because Hyperion have a financial interest in AmigaOne, and wont support ports to other platforms for that reason? Or we could just say that the reason why no one is releasing numbers for AmigaOne sales is that they are simply embarrassing?

[Damion]

Nah, perhaps Genesi saving up money in the piggybank will help this sisutation. Perhaps thats why they dropped their advertising banners, for that very reason. A penny saved and all that.

While we are on the subject of how things work in the "industry"...it would
seem ridiculous (at least from my perspective) to continually dump funds for
advertising to a small, diminishing marketbase...which is already very aware of
your product??

That would seem to apply to ANY reasonable business plan, money restraints or not.

[bloodline]

@DaveP & MagicSN

Given your sainted positions, wouldn't it be more sensible to actually provide facts and infomration rather than just throwing petrol on these pointless flame fest threads?

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Ilwrath wrote:
@uncharted

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! How do you think that Hyperion have been able to fund the OS4 project? They have to take on other projects at the same time (part of the reason it's taken longer than expected), Hyperion have worked on other projects during the last 2 years or so.

Perhaps I'm misjudging their size... But what projects HAS Hyperion taken on on the side, recently (post 2001)?  It looks like the most active part of their website is the Amiga products, and those can't be generating much income.  

Since they show no clear signs of income, I assumed that at this stage Hyperion consists mainly of three or four individuals who may or may not be accepting delayed payments.  Low income, but also low expenditures.  Signs of a small (but efficient) team.

Well I'm not sure the full extent of their other work, but I do know they've done work on Mac games, and contract work for Mai

Here's the problem, you're ASSUMING.  A wise man once told me that "Assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups"

There's a whole heap of things I could assume about many people and organisations in the Amiga market, it doesn't actually back up anything.