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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #29 from previous page: March 22, 2014, 07:15:33 PM »
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AEROS was meant to be used with ARES One so i made it "not working" everywhere. With a bit of linux knowledge it did anyway while Win8 refuses installation on unsupported HW at all.

Aeros R4 is working everywhere but not yet released because i plan to make it available through the App Store which is not yet released.
 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2014, 03:15:51 AM »
Fair enough.  What version can I use that will support sanely modern hardware?

Tried it on my nvidia 590 / i7 box and it's not seeing the NIC at all.  Dual gigabit ethernet on the motherboard.

It's an off the shelf Intel i7 920 with an nVidia 590 card and dual SSD's, using a run of the mill Asus P series mobo.

Which version of AROS would be the best for me on such hardware?  I'm getting nowhere with this.  I own no machines other than my Amithlon box that have old stuff like IDE interfaces and such.  The lowest of my low end/older PC's is a Core 2 6750 with a nVidia 295 and dual SSD's.
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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2014, 06:14:40 AM »
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Fair enough.  What version can I use that will support sanely modern hardware?

Tried it on my nvidia 590 / i7 box and it's not seeing the NIC at all.  Dual gigabit ethernet on the motherboard.

It's an off the shelf Intel i7 920 with an nVidia 590 card and dual SSD's, using a run of the mill Asus P series mobo.

Which version of AROS would be the best for me on such hardware?  I'm getting nowhere with this.  I own no machines other than my Amithlon box that have old stuff like IDE interfaces and such.  The lowest of my low end/older PC's is a Core 2 6750 with a nVidia 295 and dual SSD's.



Why do people think it's the video card and CPU that are the important details for an OS to boot?

Seriously could you at least give a motherboard model # so someone can look up what drivers are needed?

A quick and dirty Google search on some random Asus P series motherboard.  

Networking:
The Intel Nic is unsupported.  
Realtek 8111F Nic should be supported via the 8168.device

Sound:
Realtek 898 Sound very likely is not supported.

Video:
You should have at least vesa

Now I guess the real questions are.  What is YOUR motherboard model #?  What problems are you having?  "It doesn't work" is so hard to diagnose.
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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2014, 07:17:43 AM »
After reading this discussion I decided to try Aros on my Lenovo m57. Network card works straight out of the box, NIC was a no go. A shame I don't have a low profile NIC as it made a fast AROS box.
Tried AROS on my nforce2 shuttle box, booted up and came up with a RAM error when using my ATI 9200 card. I remembered from trying it sometime ago I had to delete the Nouveau driver. Once I had it booted fine, also have to manually select the nforce nic and was online with no problems from there.
Downside is it's a slower machine, with less RAM. Nevermind gives me a machine to play on :-)
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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2014, 08:53:27 AM »
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@phoenixkonsole.

Perhaps you could be a little clearer/more focused publicly. Saying things like "we're doing.....", and so on makes it sound like an AROS thing and not something youre just doing yourself. In short you seem to be confusing things for others a little by giving then the impression some of your projects are at the heart of aros, rather than your own pet projects that utilize aros.

Ok :)
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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2014, 07:52:11 PM »
"Why do people think it's the video card and CPU that are the important details for an OS to boot?"

Well, mainly cause the other dude said this OS supports more hardware than Windows 8, perhaps?  When I can't even get a display, I do think it's worth noting the make and model of the graphics card (s), lol.

Not getting even VESA mode on this machine.  Display blips then goes black.  Skulltrail mobo, dual 9975's, Dual Titan's, etc.

My i7 machine has an Asus P6T mobo and I did manage to get it working in VESA mode, but I can't see the NIC at all on it.  Installed a spare Bigfoot PCIe NIC (Killer 2100) in the machine and no dice there either.

Oh well, I tried.
 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2014, 08:52:51 PM »
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"Why do people think it's the video card and CPU that are the important details for an OS to boot?"

Well, mainly cause the other dude said this OS supports more hardware than Windows 8, perhaps?  When I can't even get a display, I do think it's worth noting the make and model of the graphics card (s), lol.

Not getting even VESA mode on this machine.  Display blips then goes black.  Skulltrail mobo, dual 9975's, Dual Titan's, etc.

My i7 machine has an Asus P6T mobo and I did manage to get it working in VESA mode, but I can't see the NIC at all on it.  Installed a spare Bigfoot PCIe NIC (Killer 2100) in the machine and no dice there either.

Oh well, I tried.



Network:
Silly question but what network driver did you try?     Aros does not auto detect netcard drivers.  The correct one for the Asus P6T should be the 8169.device.  That board is supposed to have a Realtek 8111C nic.

Audio:
The ALC1200 Codec pretty sure it won't be supported yet however that would be the HDA driver if it is supported.

Video:
For now I would stick with Vesa.  The grub menu has a couple legacy modes.

As for the supports more hardware than windows 8 comment I'm pretty sure he was talking about his distro which is actually a linux hosted distro.  Aros native supports more hardware than any of the other Amigaoid OSes but it's still limited.  

   But actually letting people know what it's actually doing is much more useful than just saying it doesn't work.
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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2014, 10:09:54 PM »
And "the screen flickered then went black" was explaining what happened.  I explained the issues I was having on the various systems I was trying every step of the way  :)
 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2014, 10:17:29 PM »
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And "the screen flickered then went black" was explaining what happened.  I explained the issues I was having on the various systems I was trying every step of the way  :)


I was replying to this portion ... should have quoted though.

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My i7 machine has an Asus P6T mobo and I did manage to get it working in VESA mode, but I can't see the NIC at all on it. Installed a spare Bigfoot PCIe NIC (Killer 2100) in the machine and no dice there either.
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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2014, 02:07:47 AM »
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It looks to me like another laptop to buy :P I already have a very good one, then I bought a ibook g4 for morphos...I already have a good modern up to date PC tower in my room, then my A4000D, then my two consoles. I am not going to go ahead and buy another laptop just for aros when I already have a good working one here :P


You went to the trouble of buying a MorphOS-compatible laptop for MorphOS. Maybe you should have bought an AROS-compatible machine for AROS.
 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2014, 02:16:42 AM »
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I liked AROS when I played with it a few times, but found the fragmentation that's happening with the different variants annoying as hell.  I found the whole Icaros, Broadway, AROS Vision, AspireOS thing to be a confusing pain, but then again, I'm short on patience.  I'm simply used to Linux distro's where I can clearly click on either x64 or 32 bit variants and have the OS burned on a USB key or optical media and installed within 3 minutes.  If I've gotta dig around and slog through different variants, I just wash my hands of it, but maybe the download options are more clear now than they used to be.


Are you also annoyed that there's more than one Linux distro? The official AROS website does have links to most of the AROS distros, but I can't see anything wrong with that. Anyway, if it bothers you that much, you can just pretend only one of them exists.
 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2014, 03:21:40 AM »
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You went to the trouble of buying a MorphOS-compatible laptop for MorphOS. Maybe you should have bought an AROS-compatible machine for AROS.


 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2014, 05:17:17 AM »
In regards to a reasonably modern machine and/or distro, Ive run it on my i7-860 + gf 570 system and it works nicely on both icaros and aspiros. Sound on mobo is supported, as is hardware 3d acceleration.
Its a socket 1156 system, but that has its advantages as wrll (cpus arent locked, so good value can he had).  Board is msi m55-e33.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2014, 05:41:25 AM »
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Are you also annoyed that there's more than one Linux distro? The official AROS website does have links to most of the AROS distros, but I can't see anything wrong with that. Anyway, if it bothers you that much, you can just pretend only one of them exists.

Not particularly, no.  The deciding factor is I can download one Linux kernel version and I know all my hardware will be supported, be it Mint, Ubuntu, Redhat, SUSE, etc.  Hell, even Solaris works on every machine I own, machines spanning a good 8 years or so.  In the end with Linux, it's mainly just a matter of preference when most of the big boys are all rolling along the current kernel.

All I can tell you is I grabbed the mainstream, commodity hardware AROS variant I was recommended and it didn't work on two of three machines I tried it on.  Tried the same version, same install media in fact, and crapped out two out of three times.  One black screen, the other a NIC that no matter what driver I tried I came up without any connectivity.

If you got the impression I was trying to do some smoke and mirrors trick like getting the 68k version running natively on my dual Intel 9775's, my apology for the confusions.