Icaros is not a bad OS at all :D

[saimon69]

Actually, unlike Linux, AROS underlings are all coming from a stable release of the nightlies, so the fragmentation is just superficial: you can move drivers and programs from one distro to the other and they will still mostly work (with of course exception of ABIv1) - then Icaros in example had some added local scripts but nothing prevents you to reverse engineer them a bit amd make them work in AspireOS, in example.

[AmigaClassicRule]

All this conversation still does not lead me of whether the copy I have or icaros now is compatible with my laptop or not? OK...so what you are saying internet is not supported with my laptop that checks off many things. You also said I need special USB hardware to do the job...I thought Netgear Universal WiFi thingy miggic that worked for the A1200 will work with icaros but it failed.

So now...I am confused here.  I REALLY WANT THE NATIVE icaros...I want it not some OS on top of a kernel of another. This way I can drag and drop the workbench screen like the real classic and it felt almost an x86 OS 4.1 to be honest.

However, it also failed to work and fulfill my request completely and be said it with the WINE version for hybrid of Linux/aros part...bare in mind that icaros is x86 based and WINE is open source and you can just port it to icaros natively if you wanted and have windows apps/games running on icaros.

So what I want...is icaros have support for way more hardware...especially laptop like how MorphOS is doing now.  I decided to get laptop instead of desktop because the concept of MorphOS on a laptop appealed to me....I can say the same to icaros here too.

I would rather have icaros on a laptop (find it more suitable) than spend a desktop hardware specific for icaros...you see where I am coming from?

Is there some petition donation anything can be done to allow icaros to have more hardware varieties...to give it more ability to support WiFi and more variant of laptop hardware?

[persia]

@AmigaClassicRule

The advantage of running it on top of Linux are the larger number of drivers available and the ability to run Linux software.   Real up to date Chromium or other browser, Open/Libre Office, Evolution mail client (Exchange email), etc.

[AmigaClassicRule]

@AmigaClassicRule

The advantage of running it on top of Linux are the larger number of drivers available and the ability to run Linux software.   Real up to date Chromium or other browser, Open/Libre Office, Evolution mail client (Exchange email), etc.

 

OK....in that case I might as will skip that and go right to Ubuntu. Oh...might as will skip that and go to Windows 7. There...now I am officially up to date with drivers, apps, games and support for browser.

Problem solved. Do you like my solution?

[persia]

Another way to to run AROS in a VM.  The problem is the Amiga community is tiny, there isn't the manpower to write drivers or port software...

[Duce]

Tried running/using/installing the latest version on my main PC just to see how the OS was progressing.  Screen flickered for a sec in VESA mode and went black after that.  Even took one of the gfx cards out and no difference, figured it might be an SLI problem.  No dice.

Oddly, all Windows versions right back to XP run (and install right away) on this hardware without burping.  (Intel Skulltrail mobo, 2x 9775 cpu's, 32 GB ECC RAM, 2x nVidia Titan cards, 1 OCZ 240 GB SSD, 1 Samsung 1 TB SSD, both SATA).

Ubuntu installed with no effort as well.

[phoenixkonsole]

Here notebook plus icaros native
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Asus-Eee-PC701-7-Zoll-Notebook-with-AROS-on-extra-8GB-SD-card-/151245081442?pt=DE_Technik_Computer_Peripherieger%C3%A4te_Notebooks&hash=item2336e8cb62

[phoenixkonsole]

Oh one thing about wine:
It translates Win Api calls to Linux Api calls....
Even if you can port it, what you can't because aros is not posix compliant, but even you would......
It would not work because aros amiga like api is not linux api...

So you would need to redo the whole work the wine team had done all the years from scratch....
Or just run aros hosted on linux..

[TheMagicM]

anyone know how to make the included 68k software work?  Just crashes on my setup.  All I changed was  Amibridge to AROS m68k?

[TheMagicM]

I liked AROS when I played with it a few times, but found the fragmentation that's happening with the different variants annoying as hell.  I found the whole Icaros, Broadway, AROS Vision, AspireOS thing to be a confusing pain, but then again, I'm short on patience.  I'm simply used to Linux distro's where I can clearly click on either x64 or 32 bit variants and have the OS burned on a USB key or optical media and installed within 3 minutes.  If I've gotta dig around and slog through different variants, I just wash my hands of it, but maybe the download options are more clear now than they used to be.  

I'm the same way.  Needs to be a clear path as to this software does this..etc.  If its not clearly explained then I just skip it.

[phoenixkonsole]

I see no fragmentation. Only different wallpapers and icons and a bunch of scripts here and there...
We are working on an package system similar to what debian uses.
With this you can build your own aros from scratch. Download a nightly and use the appstore to install themes, games and application you need. The igo packages will also take care about dependencies.
We will have indicators as stable, untested, experimental.

There is no incompatibility between those distros = no fragmentation.

[fishy_fiz]

Firstly AROS supports far, far more hardware than morphos, so thats an odd comparison. Wifi support is fine, just get a supported card. If your laptop has no mini pci then you can use usb. There may wellbe a driver for your netgear card btw, I was going by the onboard intel wifi before. Does your laptop gave a pcmcia slot though?
Of my 3 laptops only 1 doesnt work completely.

As for the flavors its very simple and less convoluted than linux distros.
Also, AROS *is* native, doesnt sit on another kernel.
The different distros parallel the different 68k packages (amikit, amigasys, etc.),.... same os, same software works on them, its just the customisations to the core os that are different.

The exception is hosted, which runs aros as a VM of sorts. Again, completely compatible with current software.

Slight sidebar, buy saying a machine works "all the way back to xp" is a bit unusual seeing as xp is a still developed OS

[fishy_fiz]

@phoenixkonsole.

Perhaps you could be a little clearer/more focused publicly. Saying things like "we're doing.....", and so on makes it sound like an AROS thing and not something youre just doing yourself. In short you seem to be confusing things for others a little by giving then the impression some of your projects are at the heart of aros, rather than your own pet projects that utilize aros.

[Duce]

XP is not going to be supported further come April 9, but the point was missed in my post

I tried AROS on this machine and it didn't work in the least.  I've used Windows variants all the way back to XP, and am currently using Windows 8.1.  Works just great.

Therefore the statement of "Aeros is more compatible to existing hardware than windows 8." sort of falls flat.

I'm not trying to pick nits here, but I tried it and it didn't work at all.  Even removing one of my gfx cards didn't help.  Oh well, i'll try it on my other machines and see how far I get.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Here notebook plus icaros native
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Asus-Eee-PC701-7-Zoll-Notebook-with-AROS-on-extra-8GB-SD-card-/151245081442?pt=DE_Technik_Computer_Peripherieger%C3%A4te_Notebooks&hash=item2336e8cb62

It looks to me like another laptop to buy I already have a very good one, then I bought a ibook g4 for morphos...I already have a good modern up to date PC tower in my room, then my A4000D, then my two consoles. I am not going to go ahead and buy another laptop just for aros when I already have a good working one here

I am going to just use it in vmware only then...

[phoenixkonsole]

@DUCE
AEROS was meant to be used with ARES One so i made it "not working" everywhere. With a bit of linux knowledge it did anyway while Win8 refuses installation on unsupported HW at all.

Aeros R4 is working everywhere but not yet released because i plan to make it available through the App Store which is not yet released.