which is best for music Atari or Amiga

[smace]

Interesting and cool thread, and mrmoonlight you are my hero of the day! Loved that video haha!

On the subject I'd like to add: Never underestimate the obsolete!

Another perspective I tend to have in my head is that the Amiga is the "turntable of computers" - You don't have the in built sound source, you submit to intriguing limitations, and from there you can take anything and do everything.. be an inventive turntablist or producer =)

The most obscure professional music I've come across yet who made their mark using an Amiga is the Nasenbluten (nosebleed) group from New Zealand.. More 'mainstream' and familiar name for house/techno lovers might be Jori Hulkkonen from Finland.

What I do think helped the miggy a lot was its quick evolving 'breeding ground for the underground' - the demoscene, continuing from c64 amateurs keep hacking away, exploring, inventing, and cultivating each other so to speak. Karsten Obarski and the following tracker developers launched many a professional career in music (on many levels), for kids who got caught up in this popular activity of tracking their musical ideas or first experiments =)

The action and interesting stuff going on creatively in the amiga scene accellerated so fast in the early nineties.. as bloodline said so well, the creativity that comes with ignorance =D
For a kid it wasn't about being professional, but getting creative and becoming better at it.. so on a long term I'd say Amiga had much more impact than Atari, BUT in the end everything kinda comes together as you can say you were inspired by Mike Oldfield using an Atari but you were using an Amiga yourself for expressing it..

Anyways, personally I've come to the conclusion that I got one instrument I know well enough, and that's Protracker. Been doing a sort of a 'comeback' to digital music the recent couple of years, and checking out one of these obese DAWs - still there's no way I can write music the way ProTracker lets me express myself - so to speak. With its old look and feel and technique and trickery involved its like that one guitar you never really heard the likes of anytime since.. Some songs just couldn't have happened if they weren't done with that instrument, you know? =)

Well, that was just from my (scene)point of view. Have a good day!

[mrmoonlight]

Interesting and cool thread, and mrmoonlight you are my hero of the day! Loved that video haha!

On the subject I'd like to add: Never underestimate the obsolete!

Another perspective I tend to have in my head is that the Amiga is the "turntable of computers" - You don't have the in built sound source, you submit to intriguing limitations, and from there you can take anything and do everything.. be an inventive turntablist or producer =)

The most obscure professional music I've come across yet who made their mark using an Amiga is the Nasenbluten (nosebleed) group from New Zealand.. More 'mainstream' and familiar name for house/techno lovers might be Jori Hulkkonen from Finland.

Hi lol I have never been anyone's Hero before ,but I do thank you my friend and compliment you on a wonderful write up ,now I have just been on youtube and have to ask is this Nasenbluten you speak of ,because this is awesome and here's the link http://youtu.be/jky5-kKbY98
very best wishes Brian

ps Hi I have just read the notes that go along with the video and it mentions the Amiga 500 ,surely not lol
now I am getting excited lol
 
 ps Wow I take my hat off to you my friend because the humble Amiga 500 which I have just read about not only starred on Nasenbluten,s  music but lead the way ,nice one my friend and there's loads more of there Amiga based music on youtube by the same band ,thank you ever so much for posting its been a real treat ,very best wishes Brian.

[Ral-Clan]

I would love to see someone do an A/B comparison between Amiga & Atari to see if this claim of "rock solid timing" is actually true.

It's not that I don't believe the Atari had rock-solid timing, it's just that I don't believe that the Amiga had sloppy time in comparison.  In my personal experience, the Amiga has always been just great with MIDI timing.

I'd like to see solid data to back up this Atari vs. Amiga claim - then I'll believe it.

On this thread someone reported the Amiga did quite well when testing a modern PC DAW vs. Atari vs. Amiga (do a search for the word Amiga):

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/165343-how-do-i-get-rock-solid-sample-accurate-midi-timing.html

[persia]

They were amazing, doing things a quarter of a century ago that no one had dreamt of.  It's sad that both machines never made it through to mainstream.

[bloodline]

I would love to see someone do an A/B comparison between Amiga & Atari to see if this claim of "rock solid timing" is actually true.

It's not that I don't believe the Atari had rock-solid timing, it's just that I don't believe that the Amiga had sloppy time in comparison.  In my personal experience, the Amiga has always been just great with MIDI timing.

I'd like to see solid data to back up this Atari vs. Amiga claim - then I'll believe it.

The standard MIDI serial link has super sloppy timing anyway, it's a really slow data bus and as soon as you load it up with messages, it jams up randomly. When we used to use it in the studio back in the late 90's we would break the track up and record them to tape in separate passes if any of the synths bogged down. At that time I was still heavily using OctaMED SS and Amiga samples so latency wasn't an issue (or at least a known quantity when using 64Channel mode).

If I had a working Atari monitor I would do a MIDI AB test with my A500 and ST :-/

My guess is that they would show almost identical results... But I'm now curious as to how each would handle a large number of messages at a high BPM, I need to see evidence!

[Speelgoedmannetje]

All true Amiga lovers should probably own an ST anyway

JUST for saying when firing it up next to a Miggy: "ah this is by far not as good as the Amiga"

[Iggy]

JUST for saying when firing it up next to a Miggy: "ah this is by far not as good as the Amiga"

Wow, I say something that paraphrases that when firing up my Mac while looking at my Amiga: "ah this is by far much better than my Amiga" :razz:

[gertsy]

Hi and I too am not totally convinced  as Mike Oldfield surely knew what he had used ,I half hope he did use the Atari but as with  jare michael jare there's plenty to show he used the Atari ,no mistake ,I would love to know the real answer ,best wishes Brian.

He did say he used Amiga. For concept sketching. Never said he used it for recording composition.

[mrmoonlight]

He did say he used Amiga. For concept sketching. Never said he used it for recording composition.

Hi this is perfectly true because I cant find any thing where he actually said he recorded with the Amiga ,but just as a matter of interest did you ever make music using the Atari st  or use the Atari as a way of controlling music in any way ,best wishes Brian.:lol::lol:

[minator]

I would love to see someone do an A/B comparison between Amiga & Atari to see if this claim of "rock solid timing" is actually true.

I've never seen a comparison.  The ST was usually compared to the PC which supposedly had absolutely abysmal timing.  IIRC it was something to with how DOS/Windows did it.

[Ral-Clan]

I've never seen a comparison.  The ST was usually compared to the PC which supposedly had absolutely abysmal timing.  IIRC it was something to with how DOS/Windows did it.

Well, it might have had something to do with the fact that the PC's serial port couldn't do the proper baud rate required by MIDI, but only something close to it, which had to be translated to the proper baud rate by the MIDI interface.  The Amiga's serial port of course can do the proper MIDI baud rate.  Because of this, Amiga MIDI interfaces were much cheaper than those for the PC (until the Soundlaster/game-port thing came around).

[gertsy]

Hi this is perfectly true because I cant find any thing where he actually said he recorded with the Amiga ,but just as a matter of interest did you ever make music using the Atari st  or use the Atari as a way of controlling music in any way ,best wishes Brian.:lol::lol:

No Atari here I'm afraid.
The machines I've used for midi include:
86-89 c128 in 64 mode. I can't remember the midi sequencing software but it came with the midi interface.
89-97 Amiga 2000 with Dr T's Tiger Cub, Music X and later Bars and Pipes
94-99 PC with Korg AG-10 and Trax software. Also used the Amiga up until 97.
99-09 PC with SBLive, AG-10, and Studio 5 + Cakewalk 7-8.
Since 2010 I use a PC with USB Module and Sonar X1 DAW

[smace]

Hi lol I have never been anyone's Hero before ,but I do thank you my friend and compliment you on a wonderful write up ,now I have just been on youtube and have to ask is this Nasenbluten you speak of ,because this is awesome and here's the link http://youtu.be/jky5-kKbY98
very best wishes Brian

Cheers, Brian!

Yes that's the same group, albeit they originate from Newcastle, OZ, not New Zealand.. my bad.

From Discogs.com this note: "Most famous for their raw productions on Amiga's ProTracker and their early records on Industrial Strength."
There's a photo with a couple of 1200s on their mixdeck, if you click "more pictures"

The wikipedia article on them have a link to an interview from 2005, with an artist named Dsico:

"What do you think is the most influential Australian music release of all time and why?

In a way, the most influential stuff for me was probably Nasenbluten and the Newcastle Hardcore scene.
I grew up around there and I just wouldn’t have ended up here without the radio show that Mark N used to do on 2NUR. Amiga 500 Hardcore was probably what got me into electronic music and especially making it."

[mrmoonlight]

Cheers, Brian!

Yes that's the same group, albeit they originate from Newcastle, OZ, not New Zealand.. my bad.

From Discogs.com this note: "Most famous for their raw productions on Amiga's ProTracker and their early records on Industrial Strength."
There's a photo with a couple of 1200s on their mixdeck, if you click "more pictures"

The wikipedia article on them have a link to an interview from 2005, with an artist named Dsico:

"What do you think is the most influential Australian music release of all time and why?

In a way, the most influential stuff for me was probably Nasenbluten and the Newcastle Hardcore scene.
I grew up around there and I just wouldn’t have ended up here without the radio show that Mark N used to do on 2NUR. Amiga 500 Hardcore was probably what got me into electronic music and especially making it."

   Hi wonderful stuff my friend  and great pic of the 1200 s    going to read up now on the interview ,hard to believe the 500 was used so much ,but so pleased very best wishes Brian.

[mrmoonlight]

Well last time I posted I was awaiting an Atari st with 4mb upgrade ,well it arrived and the courier gave it to some one who did not even live in the same building as myself  they even signed for it and that was the last we saw of it ,
   but it did not end there I bought another Atari st off Ebay and had this delivered to my works address , which arrived and I could not wait to take it home ,so off I rushed and I arrived safely  and eagerly but carefully set the Atari st up ,turned the power on and wow we were on fire ,unbelievable I know ,but true ,all that was left was the case and a very Smokey   motherboard ,maybe I can repair it one day lol  before I throw myself off a cliff lol
     Meanwhile not one for giving up I spot a Atari STE with upgrade on Ebay and have bought that and again I am eagerly awaiting delivery
    any way I have bought a Casio CTK-591 with midi in and midi out and as I already have a Amiga midi interface, connected all the midi cables and sound etc  and have been putting the Amiga 1200 through its paces and I have to say it is brilliant ,taking in to account I am not used to midi and not completely sure what I am doing ,also I am using Music Deluxe 2 so all's well at the moment ,but still want to see what the Atari can do ,best wishes Brian.

[bloodline]

WTF!? You must have grounds to make a claim for the loss of the package! Whoever stole it probably dumped it as soon as they realised it was anything "of value"