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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2014, 01:34:05 AM »
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I...didn't think that was realistic either.
I'd done some numbers estimating an 'at cost' T1022 based board and that was at least as high as that price.
And...I really want one of the two higher end boards.
Or...a successor with AltiVec instructions.


What I specified is a wish list; basically I'm calling out some of the key reasons I didn't purchase a X1000:

  • Delayed release
  • Complete PC only
  • High price tag


To all involved working on these new systems I'd like to say that hitting two of the three wishes would go a long way. Basically, I don't want a complete PC and I won't care about it in 2016. If you manage to release it in the next 12 months, as a Board + OS kit, and somewhere between US$1,000 and US$1,500  for the entry level X3500, then it is appealing.

I'm having a "replacing Giambi" moment here (from Moneyball).
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2014, 05:20:11 AM »
What will the X1000/X5000 offer the average hobbyist?

As I have mentioned before... Trevor gets a F- for economics. He built a machine for his own pride and joy whilst neglecting the basic principles of economics.

At least Commodore made sure that their products were affordable. Surely it would have been nice if every A1200/A600 sold had included a HD floppy drive, CD-ROM, hard drive, Ethernet and loads of RAM but the price would have been excessive and out of the reach of most users.

My advice is instead of producing another unaffordable model look at ways to deliver an affordable CR version at a price that would attract users to the OS4 platform.
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2014, 08:56:59 AM »
If Trevor followed any economic sense or logic he wouldn't be in the Amiga market at all.
The fact that he decided to ignore sense and spend his money the way he wanted to - rather than the way many would deem sensible - is something I and many other AmigaOS 4 users are very grateful to him for.

Basic economics says that it's impossible to make much money in the Amiga market these days. Supply can be made but the demand isn't there. Therefore supply has to be lessened. Less supply means higher prices - economies of scale. Higher prices then means less demand. Getting the balance right is very tricky and I think Trevor did it well with the X1000.

Trevor aimed for the high end of the Amiga market, leaving Acube with the low end, which makes complete sense. That meant using high end components like the PA6T despite the cost, on the grounds that the Amiga users really wanting as fast a machine as possible would have deep enough pockets, and they did.
 
Commodore were in a BIG market but Trevor isn't - hardly anyone wants a platform with very little software, even at a low price. In the 80s, small companies existed to make big games and programs, which helped push demand. Today people expect programs made with budgets in tens if millions of dollars or more.  Not practical on a tiny OS.

Whatever we do, we will never be able to take advantage of economies of scale like Commodore did, it's just impossible. Comparing Commodore to A-Eon is pointless unless you also compare the meerkat that A-Eon and Commodore are in.

Trevor knows full well about economics, but he chose to spend his money the way he wanted to and benefited hundreds of others in the process, and for that I applaud him.
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2014, 09:10:26 AM »
@spirantho,

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2014, 09:40:41 AM »
If you are going to go for an F- in economics at least build something that more Amiga users would afford. Or else pay Hyperion to port OS4 to cheaper systems (x86/Arm/whatever)
 

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2014, 10:23:38 AM »
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If you are going to go for an F- in economics at least build something that more Amiga users would afford. Or else pay Hyperion to port OS4 to cheaper systems (x86/Arm/whatever)


Building a custom x86 or ARM board in the same quantities would yield the same high design, manufacturing and engineering costs.  The answer lies in the scale of production.  The "fun" starts at 10,000 units.
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2014, 10:34:16 AM »
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Look at MacOS 10 for X86, only runs on Apple's Machines.
And the new Pro cost more than 5000$ ( the basic version).
 
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2014, 11:12:19 AM »
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Look at MacOS 10 for X86, only runs on Apple's Machines.
And the new Pro cost more than 5000$ ( the basic version).
 
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The Mac Pro starts at $3000 and is not a consumer grade machine.  Even Apple will tell you that, it's meant for video production houses.  Want a desktop Mac, buy an iMac for a grand.  I've got a 2011 iMac and it still handles everything I can throw at it.

I've had Hackintoshes for 3 years - OS X installed on commodity PC kit, entirely non Apple hardware.  It is not difficult to do.  20 minutes and a couple Google searches.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2014, 11:32:23 AM »
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Hey, Andre says we can not make fun of a banned poster!

I have never said anything about what the visitors of amiga.org can or cannot do.

What I did do was ask you personally if you think it is sane behaviour to open up a new discussion thread specifically to shame somebody else by calling that person insane.

Sadly, you failed to see see the hypocrisy of your actions, and you seem to have missed my point entirely.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2014, 12:22:24 PM »
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Building a custom x86 or ARM board in the same quantities would yield the same high design, manufacturing and engineering costs.  The answer lies in the scale of production.  The "fun" starts at 10,000 units.


I meant, port the OS to already existing hardware such an Intel Nuc or something like that.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2014, 12:25:43 PM »
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Building a custom x86 or ARM board in the same quantities would yield the same high design, manufacturing and engineering costs.  The answer lies in the scale of production.  The "fun" starts at 10,000 units.


Which is the biggest barrier, funding the 10,000 units or fear of having a crippling number of unsold units.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2014, 12:36:14 PM »
It makes zero sense to buld 10,000 x86/ARM motherboards when they are available off the shelves.

1. Port OS4 to a readily available motherboard. You will have a few thousands of possible Amiga OS4 buyers.

2. Being x86, it will be way easier to port open source software to OS4 and it will run faster.

3. Everybody wins.

Now if the future of the Amiga OS is an underspecced, ridiculously expensive computer with an obvious lack of decent software...

PS. Sorry for being blunt, not my intention to offend anyone here...
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2014, 12:43:39 PM »
Why would its being x86 make it easier to port open source software?

Being x86 would, however, break nearly all Amiga programs because of endianness, hence the use of PPC.
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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2014, 12:45:48 PM »
Guess because software be addressing the same CPU?
Yeah let's keep the Amiga in the PPC era so we can run 15 year old software :)
 

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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2014, 12:50:15 PM »
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Guess because software be addressing the same CPU?
Yeah let's keep the Amiga in the PPC era so we can run 15 year old software :)


I guess it magically deals with the problems associated with Amiga OS having it's own API's too.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)
« Reply #59 from previous page: January 11, 2014, 01:03:04 PM »
No but it would be the first step to make the OS to be more accessible.
You have to start somewhere.