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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #104 from previous page: January 09, 2015, 04:27:28 AM »
Not sure if this thingy even qualifies to have a warranty. The seller does have a return policy, however. I have already contacted them. Waiting for a reply.


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Well if it arrived dead and you open it, then you void your warranty.
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2015, 04:56:01 AM »
Well, I've gotten 3 SCART to HDMI converters and they all work first thing right out of the box, so contacting the seller is a good idea.
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #106 on: January 10, 2015, 05:48:02 PM »
The seller agreed to send me another unit. It does seem unlikely that the converter box would fail though.

I am starting to question my RGB to SCART cable. Yes, it works fine with the SCART to HDMI box, but I am reading that not all RGB to SCART cables are the same. Perhaps this new box is a bit more sensitve.

@djos, did you say you got your cable at AmigaKit also?
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #107 on: January 10, 2015, 07:27:13 PM »
Hmmm.....here is another possibility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video

Perhaps I am dealing with the difference between RGB and Luma Component. The Amiga RGB to SCART is sending out RGB and is presumably staying that way through the converter box, but my display devices are expecting Luma-based component.  Sigh. Since I will not be able to change the expectations of my display devices, this could go nowhere.

However, what if there are other versions of the SCART to Component converters? I don't think they distinguish between the two, though.
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #108 on: January 10, 2015, 09:56:07 PM »
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The seller agreed to send me another unit. It does seem unlikely that the converter box would fail though.

I am starting to question my RGB to SCART cable. Yes, it works fine with the SCART to HDMI box, but I am reading that not all RGB to SCART cables are the same. Perhaps this new box is a bit more sensitve.

@djos, did you say you got your cable at AmigaKit also?

Yep, both of my Amiga scart cables are from amigakit and both work fine with my RGB to YUV converter, however the converter only works with 2 of my 3 tv's. The tv which doesn't seem to like the sync or mode or something.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 10:55:32 PM by djos »
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #109 on: January 10, 2015, 09:59:25 PM »
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Hmmm.....here is another possibility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video

Perhaps I am dealing with the difference between RGB and Luma Component. The Amiga RGB to SCART is sending out RGB and is presumably staying that way through the converter box, but my display devices are expecting Luma-based component.  Sigh. Since I will not be able to change the expectations of my display devices, this could go nowhere.

However, what if there are other versions of the SCART to Component converters? I don't think they distinguish between the two, however.

Correct, there are multiple RGB to YUV converters out there, I have 2 and only 1 of them works with Amiga Video due to the sync method used.

Here is the one I have that doesn't work, if you look at the board layout you can see that this one takes the sync from the composite signal of the scart connector.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/99dwhyylhlchwv7/Photo%206-06-2012%207%2017%2031%20pm.jpg
« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 10:35:42 PM by djos »
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« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2015, 10:12:46 PM »
I too have a fine SCART cable from Amigakit, plus 2 other from a well known Amigan in Greece.  All work well.  Now I do use the SCART to HDMI converters, but they work on all my monitors and TVs
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2015, 10:19:42 PM »
So I wonder how I tell which one I need to get. Apparently, this one has trouble with the Amiga:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370695549240?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

because that is the one I purchased.

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Correct, there are multiple RGB to YUV converters out there, I have 2 and only 1 of them works with Amiga Video due to the sync method used.
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2015, 10:24:58 PM »
Sounds like I can rule out my cable then and instead focus on getting the correct SCART to Component adapter.


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I too have a fine SCART cable from Amigakit, plus 2 other from a well known Amigan in Greece.  All work well.  Now I do use the SCART to HDMI converters, but they work on all my monitors and TVs
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2015, 10:50:50 PM »
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So I wonder how I tell which one I need to get. Apparently, this one has trouble with the Amiga:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370695549240?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

because that is the one I purchased.

Thats the one I have... its not so much an issue with the Amiga, but rather the TV it's being used on, and mine works on every tv I've tried it on ;)

It should be possible to modify the adapter to work on every tv, but I haven't looked into this...
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2015, 10:59:44 PM »
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So I wonder how I tell which one I need to get. Apparently, this one has trouble with the Amiga:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370695549240?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

because that is the one I purchased.


That's the one I have too and it works perfectly on two of my three tv's.
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2015, 11:04:24 PM »
I was afraid someone might say this. My "works with friggin' everything, multiple video ports Dell U2410" does not like the signal coming from the converter nor does my 2005 Sharp TV, yet they both work natively (15KHz) over VGA.

I cannot use VGA due to other problems, however. This is why I was moving towards component.


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Thats the one I have... its not so much an issue with the Amiga, but rather the TV it's being used on, and mine works on every tv I've tried it on ;)

It should be possible to modify the adapter to work on every tv, but I haven't looked into this...
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #116 on: January 13, 2015, 06:03:49 PM »
I am considering the possibility of modifying, but have found no resources on this. Honestly not sure what to plug into Google. The only thing that comes close are people that have opened them up to adjust pots for improving image quality.

Does anyone here: 1) Know anyone in North America that uses one of these component converters with an Amiga and a TV sold in this country or 2) Know how to modify one of these devices to address a possible compatibility issue?

I'm fairly handy with a soldering iron and can identify most electrical components. If I have a good set of instructions, it should not be a problem.


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Thats the one I have... its not so much an issue with the Amiga, but rather the TV it's being used on, and mine works on every tv I've tried it on ;)

It should be possible to modify the adapter to work on every tv, but I haven't looked into this...
« Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 06:10:42 PM by jdryyz »
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #117 on: February 12, 2015, 09:36:33 AM »
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I am considering the possibility of modifying, but have found no resources on this. Honestly not sure what to plug into Google. The only thing that comes close are people that have opened them up to adjust pots for improving image quality.

I'm looking into these modifications now, as I've found my new monitors (which are TVs) don't support the output from this adapter...

I'll try and find some information on what's needed...

edit: the issue is basically that standard definition uses a bi level sync, while high definition uses tri level... just googling it now ;)
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #118 on: February 12, 2015, 09:49:35 AM »
Are you referring to the SCART to Component adapter?
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #119 on: February 12, 2015, 09:51:13 AM »
indeed!