I would/wouldn't like a production run of 060's

[AJCopland]

The thread is about a 68060, not a partially emulated 68020. Come back when the Vampire 600 can beat a 80mhz 68060. I haven't got anything against that project, it's just not what we're discussing.

And that thread is about an accelerator board with an FPGA that plugs into an A600 which can be flashed without whatever CPU you like. It's already been shown running at pretty high clockspeed and it's perfectly answer the quesiton of whether or not someone will ever make and FPAG based accelerator board.

[NovaCoder]

And that thread is about an accelerator board with an FPGA that plugs into an A600 which can be flashed without whatever CPU you like. It's already been shown running at pretty high clockspeed and it's perfectly answer the quesiton of whether or not someone will ever make and FPAG based accelerator board.

Yes that's right, this is the future

The 68060 was a great chip but because it's hard to find and very expensive, an FPGA design is more attractive these days.

[Mrs Beanbag]

As FPGA's get more powerful the benefit of shoehorning one into an old Amiga as just a processor upgrade makes less and less sense. Someone could make a motherboard that fitted an old Amiga case, but even that has disadvantages.

Eh? I'd have thought it makes more and more sense. If it is faster and cheaper than existing "real" 680x0 accelerators, I don't see any disadvantage.

[bloodline]

If you get caught with a JIT you get banned from the Apple AppStore.

You can confirm it with thousands of ppl.  You can start by asking every single person who needs a JIT, such as emulator coders.

I'm a credible source and I confirmed it.

Its actually worse than "no JIT" it is/was "no scripting of any kind" and "no dynamically executed code".

You can sell emulators on the Apple AppStore, but you are not allowed to sideload any software on to them... So it either has to come with all the software it's ever going to run... Or you need to sell extra software via an "in app purchase".

There are three problems with running emulators on an iOS device:
1. If the emulator is free open source, it must be free on the AppStore.
2. Most of the software you want to run on the emulator will still be in copyright (or you already own and don't want to buy again).
3. (This is the biggy) The old games just aren't suited to running on a touch screen devices and are often quite awkward to play/use.

-ON TOPIC-

A production run of any 68k is never going to happen, technology has moved on and you are never going to get rights to the IP.

Your options are an FPGA, the A600 Vampire board is already here or (my favourite) an ARM board with an emulator/JIT, with an interface for Plugging into Amiga CPU slots

[nicholas]

You can sell emulators on the Apple AppStore, but you are not allowed to sideload any software on to them... So it either has to come with all the software it's ever going to run... Or you need to sell extra software via an "in app purchase".

There are three problems with running emulators on an iOS device:
1. If the emulator is free open source, it must be free on the AppStore.
2. Most of the software you want to run on the emulator will still be in copyright (or you already own and don't want to buy again).
3. (This is the biggy) The old games just aren't suited to running on a touch screen devices and are often quite awkward to play/use.

-ON TOPIC-

A production run of any 68k is never going to happen, technology has moved on and you are never going to get rights to the IP.

Your options are an FPGA, the A600 Vampire board is already here or (my favourite) an ARM board with an emulator/JIT, with an interface for Plugging into Amiga CPU slots

I'd like the same but with an x86 rather than ARM just for the raw power and the latest x86 chips probably run cooler than an 040 does.

Regarding the App Store, isn't there a legal problem with GPL apps? I seem to remember VLC having issues.

[bloodline]

I'd like the same but with an x86 rather than ARM just for the raw power and the latest x86 chips probably run cooler than an 040 does.

Regarding the App Store, isn't there a legal problem with GPL apps? I seem to remember VLC having issues.

My money is on ARM long term... But yeah, a x86-64 based JIT accelerator would be three levels of awesome!

Yeah, the AppStore licence changed a couple of years back to allow GPL, I already downloaded VLC so I wasn't affected by its removal, very useful for watching WMVs on my iOS devices. But it is returning now the Licence allows GPL.

[nicholas]

My money is on ARM long term... But yeah, a x86-64 based JIT accelerator would be three levels of awesome!

We need a genius wizard to port the existing 32-bit JIT to AMD64 first though.  Jason maybe?

Yeah, the AppStore licence changed a couple of years back to allow GPL, I already downloaded VLC so I wasn't affected by its removal, very useful for watching WMVs on my iOS devices. But it is returning now the Licence allows GPL.

VLC is the first thing I install on any Mac or Linux box.

I wonder if OS4 will receive a port of it now they have Qt4?

[Ezrec]

We need a genius wizard to port the existing 32-bit JIT to AMD64 first though.  Jason maybe?

if it was up to me, I'd just port the WinUAE hardware emulation to QEMU, and use QEMU's m68k dynamic-translation (JIT like) which works on any architecture.

[nicholas]

if it was up to me, I'd just port the WinUAE hardware emulation to QEMU, and use QEMU's m68k dynamic-translation (JIT like) which works on any architecture.

Hi Jason!  Sounds like a nice project for you to fit into that 25th hour of each day.

[bloodline]

if it was up to me, I'd just port the WinUAE hardware emulation to QEMU, and use QEMU's m68k dynamic-translation (JIT like) which works on any architecture.

Let's focus on AROS first

Hahahah, that does sound like a very cool idea!

[Vlabguy1]

100Mhz or more, then I'd have interest.

100+Mhz I'm in.  

Rich

[psxphill]

It's already been shown running at pretty high clockspeed

"Performance: More than 6Mips"
 

Eh? I'd have thought it makes more and more sense.

If there was an FPGA that was fast enough to do 500mhz 68060, which do you think would sell more.
 
1. An A600 accelerator
2. A minimig sized board that can be a 68060/PPC Amiga/Mac, PC, a PS1/PS2, Jaguar, Archimedes, etc etc with wireless peripherals
 
I can't see why anyone would want a 500mhz ECS machine, even AGA limitations would hold it back.
 
The form factor doesn't lend itself to being used on the main TV either. Although converting an A600 to a battery operated wireless keyboard might work.

[NovaCoder]

"Performance: More than 6Mips"

Remember that the vampire board is meant for a 600, he's already had it running up to 12 MIPS which is higher than any physical A600 has ever managed.

With a bigger FPGA and some clever coders, it's feasible that a reasonably fast board could be made.   Also, it could be made for a lot less than a real 060 board, that's more important than speed anyway.   What's the point of developing a new physical 060 based board if it costs $500, only about 3 people would buy one.

[ElPolloDiabl]

I would think that everyone who wanted a 060 or 030 would have one by now.

The only thing to do is to go for more speed. That would not be cheap by doing the CPU first.

FPGA gives you the ability to keep optimising the CPU.

[psxphill]

What's the point of developing a new physical 060 based board if it costs $500, only about 3 people would buy one.

That is still likely cheaper than an FPGA board that can beat a 68060.
I don't see there being a market for either of them.

[ElPolloDiabl]

@ above
The thrill of having the classic hardware/software perform at an amazing speed. When an emulator does it, its not a big deal.

I'm not pushing for this, but it will be awesome (when it happens) and 100% compatible as oppose to when we got PowerPC accelerators at 200-300mhz.