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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2013, 09:55:48 AM »
The SID is an analogue device. No FPGA will ever match that as it's a digital device, it'll only ever be an approximation.
Part of the reason the SID sounds so good is because of its limitations and flaws (such as the behaviour of the amplitude change, which is used to create speech) - no digital device will ever quite capture that.
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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2013, 12:38:36 PM »
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If anyone has a c64 or real amiga (I've been using a dedicated emulation machine for a long time, but for this is just does not sound the same) They would be willing to donate to the new studio please contact me....


Well, A500s are cheap as dirt, and I could try and find one for you, but we are so far away that you could buy a good A1200 for the postage alone :)

I am sure that one of the fellow USA dwellers will send you an A500. Another one an external floppy maybe. Then you could save a wee bit of money for several months, and buy Kipper2k's FAST RAM expansion. And you will have a terrific sound making machine :)
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2013, 01:26:40 PM »
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Anyhow, just figured if someone can get a free next gen amiga system for making some wallpapers
:lol:

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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2013, 05:59:46 PM »
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:lol:

Prepare for Amiga.org's very own one man  Serbian Mafia to report your post for daring to question the integrity of one of their countrymen.  It happened to me when I dared to mention the same thing.

You must be joking ...

Vox showed no mercy to me and I just _REPLIED_ to the post with the above subject and we live in the same city :laugh1:

I used these for Chip music sounds in Cubase :

http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php

Much easier than recording real SID sound and trying to mix it in as it cuts through the mix and you have to do heavy EQ to get it right and then it's nothing like original ...

Sounds cool when used to create some Pink Floyd like effects :afro:
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2013, 10:12:01 PM »
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You must be joking ...

Vox showed no mercy to me and I just _REPLIED_ to the post with the above subject and we live in the same city :laugh1:


:lol:  No one is safe it seems! :)

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I used these for Chip music sounds in Cubase :

http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php

Much easier than recording real SID sound and trying to mix it in as it cuts through the mix and you have to do heavy EQ to get it right and then it's nothing like original ...

Sounds cool when used to create some Pink Floyd like effects :afro:


Ooh thanks for that link, just bookmarked it. :)
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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2013, 10:16:38 PM »
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Much easier than recording real SID sound and trying to mix it in as it cuts through the mix and you have to do heavy EQ to get it right and then it's nothing like original ...
Hey, sometimes cutting through a mix is what you want out of a synth. (If you don't want the sound of a SID, why try to get the sound of a SID?)
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2013, 10:22:58 PM »
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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2013, 10:38:57 PM »
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:lol:

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Hah, Serbian mafia :-) And one man army.

Point of integrity is proven by existence and work.

Why starting discussion of your of needs with dissing some other bounty?

Bad, bad community style, mafia alike :-)
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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2013, 10:40:35 PM »
if you were closer, I'd let you keep this A1000 w/1mb ram.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2013, 10:50:16 PM »
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Hey, sometimes cutting through a mix is what you want out of a synth. (If you don't want the sound of a SID, why try to get the sound of a SID?)

True , it can probably be used as a good lead or solo ...
 

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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2013, 10:57:34 PM »
Why starting discussion of your of needs with dissing some other bounty?

Oh I was not dissing the guy, just stating a fact, he got a next gen amiga and made some wallpapers or themes...

C64 aquired! I will pick it up this weekend. I can hear the sid screaming now! - Amiga still needed....  Anyone?
 

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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2013, 01:34:33 AM »
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Hey, sometimes cutting through a mix is what you want out of a synth. (If you don't want the sound of a SID, why try to get the sound of a SID?)
True , it can probably be used as a good lead or solo ...

Yes I think its great for lead sounds and bass also...
 

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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2013, 01:46:18 AM »
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Even apart from nostalgia, there's very solid arguments to be made for actual hardware music gear, no matter how space-convenient a DAW is. Plenty of emulators don't do more than loosely approximate the sounds of hardware synths (and the SID filter in particular has never been emulated more than approximately,) and even with the Amiga UAE just doesn't quite have the same tone to it as the real thing.

I dunno, if you throw 2ghz worth of 32bit x86 at the latest reSID it can handle stuff like the SFX in Star Ranger or Hubbard tunes like Lightforce very competently.

I have 2 C64s with different SID revisions of the 6581 variety and one sounds nicer (in a way I can't describe in words) and one sounds worse than the latest VICE using the latest and most accurate reSID settings. The nicer sounding C64 unfortunately is one that would sell for about a grand on ebay so very few people will be able to appreciate that particular version (most SIDs are broken out there but they still produce sound so people assume that's how it was......until they have a go on my C64 I use daily).

I put feelers out for just a free A2000 motherboard with postage paid by me ages ago, got no joy (because most people in the UK are also up sh!t street too I guess) so I had to shelve my Ruck Bogers game sadly. As long as I get to write it before I go senile it's cool though, it is after all just I game for myself which I would have given free to the community to enjoy too if they like that sort of 2.5D space based shmup arcade games (this also means Gradius AGA, Gauntlet 1200 and my 2.5D Oblivion engine got shelved too). I'm currently working on Donkey Kong Jr and Vanguard for the C64 which is a real great laugh and it's great to be coding. Even did a tongue in cheek VIC-20 game I called Stardust V.I.C. too which is 80% complete (3 bugs I can't find in my code grrrrrr)

Luckily things picked up for me business wise and I've managed to get myself in at the grass roots of what will be a huge business in the very near future so I'm sure I won't baulk at £200 for the yellowed POS 1500s which don't even work on ebay lol

I hope things pick up for the OP too, sucks when you are creative but finances don't allow for purchase of tools to do anything with, I feel for you buddy...been there too myself for a couple of years before.

(I was of course grateful to the two forum members who offered me a free A500 but sadly I need a HDD for the constant compiling and also they were both on the other side of the Atlantic/Pacific so postage alone made it best to let those machines go to people on their home turf of course)
 

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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2013, 01:48:00 AM »
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Why starting discussion of your of needs with dissing some other bounty?

Oh I was not dissing the guy, just stating a fact, he got a next gen amiga and made some wallpapers or themes...

C64 aquired! I will pick it up this weekend. I can hear the sid screaming now! - Amiga still needed....  Anyone?


Did he ever make and release anything for his free PPC Amiga donated? Can't say I noticed.
 

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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2013, 02:08:39 AM »
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I dunno, if you throw 2ghz worth of 32bit x86 at the latest reSID it can handle stuff like the SFX in Star Ranger or Hubbard tunes like Lightforce very competently.
It's definitely better than it was (at least they're trying to emulate nonlinear filter response now! Embarassing how long that took, considering that no analog filters have ever had a linear response curve.) Still, when you have to throw a 2GHz CPU at something just to get an acceptable result, I'd have to maintain that real hardware is the better option.
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Re: c64 and amiga donation wanted...
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 20, 2013, 09:30:48 AM »
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It's definitely better than it was (at least they're trying to emulate nonlinear filter response now! Embarassing how long that took, considering that no analog filters have ever had a linear response curve.) Still, when you have to throw a 2GHz CPU at something just to get an acceptable result, I'd have to maintain that real hardware is the better option.


I totally agree, the problem with the PC world has always been write the code....when a faster CPU comes out you can do more useful things with the OS.

The best way to go is always real hardware, SID problems aside playing C64 games on VICE using PC keyboards sucks because unlike C64 keyboards you can only press about 3 keys at once in certain combinations..........so on some games you can't move diagonally and fire at the same time hmmmm And playing Vanguard conversion in WinVICE will probably not work great as I am using the same fire controls of the VCS version in my C64 conversion!!

Sadly C64s just stop working if you don't use them regularly (even then they do but not quite so often) so there needs to be a solution for the future because few of the 30+ million C64s/128s sold still work today.

(sorry to OP for going off topic)