c64 and amiga donation wanted...

[haywirepc]

I started programming music for the first time on the c64's sid chip. Later I got an amiga 1000 second hand when everyone else was buying an amiga 500, and it changed me in so many ways. I learned sampling and "tracking" on the amiga with protracker, and later moved on to an amiga 500, then 2000, then to fast tracker on pc. I made some full length albums, using fast tracker as base tracks but adding guitar and vocals and real drums at times in my home studio...

After some long years trying to become a rockstar...
I moved on to other creative endeavors. Now I'm going back to music, trying to rebuild a home studio. I would like to add a c64 for sid synth and an amiga for distorted drums and other synth stuff possible on the amiga.

If anyone has a c64 or real amiga (I've been using a dedicated emulation machine for a long time, but for this is just does not sound the same) They would be willing to donate to the new studio please contact me....

Unfortunately, being a new dad with a new kid makes me broker than broke. I just hand wired and soldered a bunch of rca cables for the new studio because yes, new child makes me that broke and unfortunately, I have more time than money lately.

Anyhow, just figured if someone can get a free next gen amiga system for making some wallpapers, someone might think it a good idea to donate a machine sitting unused in their garage or basement to someone who will actually produce some cool audio art with it...
I will be thanking anyone who helps or donates on my new album, website, and music videos.

best regards,

Steven

[haywirepc]

I forgot, but here is links to some of my previous songs...

http://www.subcultureproductions.com/insidex.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/hwsongs.html#top
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/tmmrwx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/devmx1.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/deadx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/lngwayx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/deeptrmpx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/hellno.mp3

http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/drrmix.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/amremix.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/ndown.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/strange.mp3

http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/wilt.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/drain.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/amends.mp3

[haywirepc]

And here are some music videos we produced to support my live tours and
generate sales for my cd's :

http://www.subcultureproductions.com/Inside.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/NoWayOut.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/reach.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/hellno.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/madwebv.wmv

[commodorejohn]

I'd try putting an ad in your local paper(s) - if your area has one or two local rags with free classifieds, it won't cost you anything to try, and if you're lucky you can get a C64 setup for $0-20 and possibly an Amiga for $30-50. You'd be surprised at how often people still have this stuff hanging around in their attic, even in this day and age.

[commodorejohn]

P.S. Excellent choice in studio gear

[haywirepc]

John been looking on craigslist but no luck. Lost 4 or 5 auctions on ebay setting bids at prices I could realistically pay...

I can pay shipping if anyone will donate one, and more than willing to clean, work on and restore machines...

[commodorejohn]

I'd seriously try the papers, though (again, if you have a local rag with free ads and nothing to lose...) Craigslist is great, but there's a lot of older folks (read: original C64 owner demographic) who don't go there and may not have even heard of it, but who do read the papers. Additionally, actually putting out want ads is a world apart from just watching and waiting. Lots of people have stuff that's just inertly taking up space in their attic that they feel no particular pressure to get rid of and may have just about forgotten, but if they see that someone is actively seeking it, that both jogs their memory and motivates them in a way that mere "I should probably get rid of this eventually" thinking won't. Trust me, it's worth a try.

[trekiej]

Good luck, I hope you find what you need.

[haywirepc]

Not sure I "Need" these two machines. The new audio studio will have many audio "generators" funneled into the main workstation/daw but I think I'd really like to have a corner of the studio that houses where I started. I'm fairly sure I can use those machines to generate some cool stuff for the new projects...

[commodorejohn]

Even apart from nostalgia, there's very solid arguments to be made for actual hardware music gear, no matter how space-convenient a DAW is. Plenty of emulators don't do more than loosely approximate the sounds of hardware synths (and the SID filter in particular has never been emulated more than approximately,) and even with the Amiga UAE just doesn't quite have the same tone to it as the real thing.

[haywirepc]

Commodore John, I completely agree, which is why I would like actual real machines funneled into the main daw. I have tried using vice and winuae on a pc funneled in and its a bad substitute for the actual hardware funneling in.

There is some character of sound lost in emulation. Nothing beats the real ones with all their subtle character...

[vox]

I started programming music for the first time on the c64's sid chip. Later I got an amiga 1000 second hand when everyone else was buying an amiga 500, and it changed me in so many ways. I learned sampling and "tracking" on the amiga with protracker, and later moved on to an amiga 500, then 2000, then to fast tracker on pc. I made some full length albums, using fast tracker as base tracks but adding guitar and vocals and real drums at times in my home studio...

Anyhow, just figured if someone can get a free next gen amiga system for making some wallpapers, someone might think it a good idea to donate a machine sitting unused in their garage or basement to someone who will actually produce some cool audio art with it...
I will be thanking anyone who helps or donates on my new album, website, and music videos.

best regards,

Steven

I assume you are referring to DJ Nick bounty. Well idea was to get user back to AmigaOS 4.1 with NG system (as 4.0 Classic I purchased him worked badly on his 603) which he would compensate by graphics and themes and website designs.
http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=90

Deadline was not for many reasons, including that DJ Nick is self employed gfx / music artist and also a fresh dad.
But its ongoing saga, and Amiga Bounty and people that have donated have agreed its earned.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37795&forum=27&19

You can find him at AW.net

If you wish you could try setting the same kind of bounty, but with people having similar attitude like yours to DJ Nick, I doubt it will succeed.

There are loaner SAM 440 boards if you decide to do some real programming.

Ahh, you want a Classic Amiga and real C64 ...? Huh ... hope someone has a spare working one, I don`t.

Not that your music talent sounds bad :-)

[matthey]

Even apart from nostalgia, there's very solid arguments to be made for actual hardware music gear, no matter how space-convenient a DAW is. Plenty of emulators don't do more than loosely approximate the sounds of hardware synths (and the SID filter in particular has never been emulated more than approximately,) and even with the Amiga UAE just doesn't quite have the same tone to it as the real thing.

An fpga SID can emulate everything well except the filters. A SID is very small in fpga and doesn't require DMA for it's looped "synthesizing". There was a recent discussion about adding SID capabilities to an enhanced Paula in fpga for this reason. I would bet money that someone has already had a Paula and SID in the same fpga before too. How good an fpga could make it sound, I don't know. It probably would sound different but hopefully better than software emulation. There are 2 different versions of the SID too. Most people prefer the early one with more distortion over the later bug fixed version with cleaner sound.

[commodorejohn]

An fpga SID can emulate everything well except the filters. A SID is very small in fpga and doesn't require DMA for it's looped "synthesizing". There was a recent discussion about adding SID capabilities to an enhanced Paula in fpga for this reason. I would bet money that someone has already had a Paula and SID in the same fpga before too. How good an fpga could make it sound, I don't know. It probably would sound different but hopefully better than software emulation. There are 2 different versions of the SID too. Most people prefer the early one with more distortion over the later bug fixed version with cleaner sound.

The thing is that "everything except the filters" is missing the single most important element in defining the SID's character. It's like the hallowed Moog filter - instantly recognizable, quirky and full of character, and it leaves an unmistakeable imprint on everything you subject to it. A SID without the SID filter is just some well-executed simple digital waveforms; it's not the SID. And a SID with a poor imitation of the SID filter is a weaksauce, plastic substitute.

[spirantho]

The SID is an analogue device. No FPGA will ever match that as it's a digital device, it'll only ever be an approximation.
Part of the reason the SID sounds so good is because of its limitations and flaws (such as the behaviour of the amplitude change, which is used to create speech) - no digital device will ever quite capture that.