Pegasos II vs AmigaOne

[Hooligan_DCS]

@Nerp

8 out of 10 Pegasos owners, that is.

Well, no-one is stopping Amiga/AmigaOne-owners to speak out their opinion aswell.One could get the idea that my word weights less only because I am an owner of Pegasos, and therefore am a lesser person  :-)

But it's been like this always. There is supposed to be several hundred A1 owners out there, but somehow only a handful of them are active. Respect to Xeron for standing up for what he believes in, and always even backing it up with good reasoning.

Your comment was a bit unrequired too, a simple "I have an A1, and I am OS4 betatester, go for A1 as you'll love it" would have done it.

[Darth_X]

IonDeluxe wrote:
Peg II against AmigaOne
Hmm I guess peg II is ok, it has software by virtue of freeloading from the origonal base Amiga software, and some "native" applications.

Genesi is more professional if you count stooping to any method to discredit you opposition as "professional"
Morphos is still in beta state, has been for some time and will likely be for quite some time more.

Amiga on the other hand is being orchestrated by Amiga Inc whos business dealings are as yet dubious,. but are supported by two other comapanies with very good reputations that seem to have contacts and support of some rather impressive people. The OS is unavailable as yet except to beta testers, and soon the early bird purchasers.

Bottom line here is, if you really want to purchase an Amiga, go for the Aone, if you dont give a stuff but just want to run your old software and want to go PPC then the pegasos will probably fit your bill better....for now.

There really is not a great difference in the hardware, or the software at this point, so there is no real requirement for comparison as niether system is ready as a commercial product/OS combination as yet.

Wow.. that's a fair comment. and here I thought you were just a troll!  Maybe I was wrong.  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D

[Darth_X]

IonDeluxe wrote:
I really dont give a rats ass if they take advantage of old software or not, look at linux and windows. I think thats great. What I dont like is the image they promote as "supporting the Amiga community" when in fact what they are doing is hijacking that said community to support themselves in direct competition to the real amiga solution.

You are right, AmigaInc did just exactly this with their AmigaDe project, where they partnered with Microsoft.

Oh wait.. were you refering to Genesi here?

Even Linux has more integrity than that.
I am purely sick of the lies and other rubbish spouted by Genesi that is completely ans utterly forgiven by the blue crowd, not to mention completely ignored forgotten and swept under the carpet! It just promotes more of the same behavior.
Same goes for the coupon debacle with the red crowd and the general level of behaviour all round.

I'm not sure what lies/rubbish from Genesi that you are refering to?

There is a sevre lack of integrity with the comp
anies and organizeation related to this community( with a couple exceptions), and the only way this is gunna change is if we the community pull them up and take them to task over it.  

YES! :-D

[ikir]

Tried both different times. My choice is for sure AmigaOne.

See you  :-)

[Alkemyst]

But it's been like this always. There is supposed to be several hundred A1 owners out there, but somehow only a handful of them are active. Respect to Xeron for standing up for what he believes in, and always even backing it up with good reasoning.

You are quite right, very few Aone owners are active on Amiga.org.

Most are active at www.amigaworld.net/

[KennyR]

NeRp wrote:
How is it that this legendary Pegasos 2 is so much more "advanced" then?

Well, you asked for it:

* DDR. Oops, I dared say it. For advanced claims, ask Hammer the advantages PC2100 DDR-266 has over A1's simple PC133 (edit). Needless to say, they aren't small gains.

* ATA100 UDMA. Embarassingly, it seems that ArtiaS bugs that have long been denied may just make this impossible on A1. I hope for Eyetech's sake there is a fix. The idea of an $800 board running IDE on PIO4 is very depressing.

* Faster AGP. Forget that it's labelled x1, thanks to Articia its still faster than AmigaONE x2 AGP.

* Infrared IRDA control. A1 has none.

* Two ethernet ports, one gigabit. A1 has just one, and its not gigabit.

* Two firewire ports capable of 400MB/s. A1 has none.

* Free firmware updates. A1 earlybird owners had to pay to get their bios updated for OS4.

* Free Amigalike OS bundled. OS4 was quoted at $160.

[xeron]

KennyR wrote:
* ATA100 UDMA. Embarassingly, it seems that ArtiaS bugs that have long been denied may just make this impossible on A1.

Not actually true. DMA does work on the AmigaOne, just not terribly well with the Linux drivers that are out there at the moment.

* Two firewire ports capable of 400MB/s. A1 has none.

Can anything actually use them yet? If not, they're under the same classification as the A1's onboard sound; IE there but not very useful.

* Two PS/2 ports. A1 has one.

Well, theres a PS/2 port for my  keyboard, and a PS/2 port for my mouse, which makes 2. Not sure why you'd need more than one of each.

* Free firmware updates. A1 earlybird owners had to pay to get their bios updated for OS4.

For a minority of very early purchasers. I do think thats a shame, and could have been handled better, but for the vast majority its a case of downloading an ISO or floppy image, writing it to a disk, and booting it. I've flashed my firmware twice.

* Free Amigalike OS bundled. OS4 was quoted at $160.

There is no confirmed final price, and besides which everyone who has bought an A1 to date is an earlybird, and therefore gets a free copy of AmigaOS once available.

[itix]

About the only thing the Peg 2 is.... is cheaper.

Peg2 G4 is not only cheaper, but also faster.

[ikir]

KennyR simply you are trolling. The information you give are wrong or incomplete. See  Xeron's reply.

On board AC97 sound. A1 has none.

As i know all the A1 XE models have the AC97 integrated.

[Warface]

Who at hyperion told you that you have to purchase native Aos4 versions of their games all over again ?

So are you implying that the remastered versions will be free of charge either for AmigaONE owners or owners of previous copies?

Will I get native OS4 versions for free for my original Hyperion titles?

Anyone from Hyperion confirming it?

[lempkee]

Itix:
(theese prices are from the amiga shop here, 1 other shop who doesnt have a webshop is abit cheaper (amigaone) (only mailorder/visit the shop)

Pegasos (PPC Amiga)

PEGASOSG3600

Pegasos G3/600.Board w/CPU-mod.G3 600MHz(750CXe)+M

6163,-

6040,- 


AmigaOne


A1G3XE

AmigaOne G3-XE mainboard+CPU/free OS4 if order bef

7924,-

7765,- 
 

A1G4XE

AmigaOne G4-XE mainboard+CPU/free OS4 if order bef

8618,-

8446,- 

[Hooligan_DCS]

@Alkemyst

You are quite right, very few Aone owners are active on Amiga.org.

Most are active at www.amigaworld.net/

That is true now, there's no denying it. However, the situation was pretty much the same when aw.net didn't even exist yet. I remember some discussion about this then.
Wish there would be more A1 owners here, theres plenty of space for everybody.

[lempkee]

warface: i would really like to see where you quoted that from (about hyperion releasing a1 os4 native versions as a new product!)

if so its really weird because i have not heard any mentions about it and i also never heard about os4 costing 100-160 usd and so on.

lame troll attempts , but then again native versions will run better than a wrapper but there is allready native versions for several which i am not in liberty to discuss here.

anyway since u mentioned that hyperion have a tight schedule etc, ofcourse they do! but they havent said like "HEYY, we are now only porting os4! , we stopped all out game dev!" oh and btw they got several new people in hyperion now, maybe u forgot to mention it? , and yes they do GAMES only!.... oh no.. seems like your warface is becoming pale..

[lempkee]

hooligan: yeah i iwish it would be more a1 owners here aswell, but we all know why (we choose Aw) and why peg is the second most named product on Amiga.org , where AROS is the most named product atm.

[NicoPPC]

I know this has probably been brought up before, but which do you all perfer. Pegasos II or AmigaOne?

The Pegasos II is obviously beter and cheaper than the AOne.
Moreover AOne is known to have DMA problems.

Vesalia price:
- Peg II G3 600Mhz: 346 Euros
- AOne G3 800: 759 Euros

A lot of cheaper even if AOne has a faster G3

The Pegasos II seems to be the better system, and cheaper! However, I have a question reguarding MorphOS. Does MorphOS support Amiga games, and applications?

MorphOS supports every system-friendly application. Demo and old amiga game can be use with UAE.

From a hardware point of view the PegII is far better, it's obvious.
From a software point of view: it is too if you consider that OS4 is still in beta while MorphOS is release. Even if you consider latest OS4 beta I've saw and "old" MorphOS 1.4. MorphOS is still far in advance.

Of course, OS4 fan will prefer the AOne for the OS4...

In conclusion my choice is Peg II because it's cheaper, better, working, and MorphOS is usable and perfectly able to execute Amiga applications

Moreover, Linux and OpenBSD are working of  Peg which is nice for my school stuff

Bye

[Acill]

* DDR. Oops, I dared say it. For advanced claims, ask Hammer the advantages PC2100 DDR-266 has over A1's simple PC100. Needless to say, they aren't small gains.

Not to mention you can go to just about any hardware store and find memory for the Peg systems. The AmigaOne RAM is so old you need to look and then hope its rated to work at all with the AmigaOne. Dont get me wrong I am Amiga all the way and havent made a decision at all. Its just the Peg II is out and MOS is SHIPPING and WORKING on consumer boards, while OS4 is still in closed beta and still no firm date of release. That needs to be taken care of ASAP.