FS: Phase5 PowerUP PPC for 1200

[paul1981]

I mean the question goes...is it even worth hacking through the card and you still will be stuck with severe bottleneck that comes with THIS type of card.

But by that very same argument, why bother with any Commodore-Amiga gear? It's just a hobby...nothing more, nothing less. As long as people get enjoyment from it then that's all that matters.

[AmigaClassicRule]

But by that very same argument, why bother with any Commodore-Amiga gear? It's just a hobby...nothing more, nothing less. As long as people get enjoyment from it then that's all that matters.

Ok so now when I wanted to buy the PPC people all over this amiga.org community told me not too and for the same reason I sprouted it from my mouth and yet when I said the same sprout people told me to some other person, the community tells me why not and it is a good card and there is nothing wrong with it -_-.

I am just going to drown myself with :pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::rant:

[psxphill]

Top of the line Blizzard card is 380Mhz+ with very high speed memory access. High speed memory access alone changes the way blizzard card performs even at a low 270Mhz. Bvision performance has also increased due to modification where the PCI bus is clocked from min 37.5Mhz to 41.5Mhz.

I'd love one, but I wouldn't make use of it to justify the cost even the cheapest cards go for. Which I think is probably where this thread is going. If you will use it then bid, if you won't then nobody expects you to.

[wawrzon]

Ok so now when I wanted to buy the PPC people all over this amiga.org community told me not too and for the same reason I sprouted it from my mouth and yet when I said the same sprout people told me to some other person, the community tells me why not and it is a good card and there is nothing wrong with it -_-.

I am just going to drown myself with :pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::pint::rant:

the card is okay. its just not worth to bother. that saying as an owner of one. i have never bougt into it before as i always suspected it is not very usable and then after years ive just went to check. and it turned out to be exactly as expected.

[Duce]

I owned the same card, sold it off to Stachu.  I enjoyed it a lot, but barely got any use out of the PPC side.

However, I wouldn't own another PPC legacy Amiga again, there's simply too poor usage of the PPC chip for what I was after.

I had the same card in an A1200 with a BVision not long ago, vs. an old A4000 in the 90's with a CV64 and '060 in it, and I personally won't touch a PPC legacy Amiga again.  Too little bang for buck.

Go big or go home, '060 all the way if I ever build another legacy miggy.  PPC was an afterthought for the Amiga, IMHO - pumping air into a half rotted corpse when PPC on Amiga was new.

[bbond007]

I owned the same card, sold it off to Stachu.  I enjoyed it a lot, but barely got any use out of the PPC side.

I owned the flagship 240/060 board but sold it. I found the PPC side to be a nice MP3 player.

the PPC side did not like to run stable inside the desktop case but was fine in a tower.

The real value this board that is for sale would be to be able to add the BVision. I think I would try to upgrade the CPU to 060. The 160mhz PPC can probably play MP3s as well as the 240

I really wish someone could make something like the Bvision for the 1260 that goes in place of the SCSI.

[delshay]

Blizzard PPC cards are very stable in either a tower or desktop but it needs a very good power supply. Its all about power supply & cooling which is the basic standard to getting the card to run stable. Test here have shown Pico PSU have a problem with my set-up but this is something I will look into at a later date as its not important at this time but users should be aware that high speed cards may have a problem with Pico PSU ie here it will boot up fine but when a hard reset is done it will refused to boot after let's say after 3 mins regardless if the PSU is cooled.

Normal 060 cards holds no big advantage over a 060 version of Blizzard PPC card as it can clock 90Mhz+.

Last known test 96Mhz but was very stable at 93Mhz but for now I needed close the gap in performance to users that use radeon and voodoo cards on classic amiga.

Ragemem video bus test (AGP speed preliminary)

Read 8
Write 26

Screenmode 1024x768 32 bit

HARDWARE: Blizzard/Bvision

Sorry did not type it clear enough in this thread. Screenshot will be uploaded when I have time.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Blizzard PPC cards are very stable in either a tower or desktop but it needs a very good power supply. Its all about power supply & cooling which is the basic standard to getting the card to run stable. Test here have shown Pico PSU have a problem with my set-up but this is something I will look into at a later date as its not important at this time but users should be aware that high speed cards may have a problem with Pico PSU ie here it will boot up fine but when a hard reset is done it will refused to boot after let's say after 3 mins regardless if the PSU is cooled.

Normal 060 cards holds no big advantage over a 060 version of Blizzard PPC card as it can clock 90Mhz+.

Last known test 96Mhz but was very stable at 93Mhz.

Are you saying that you can overclock a PPC 68060 side to 93 Mhz and it will run at 93 Mhz like a normal 68060 running at a 93 Mhz with sweet 128 MB of RAM and add additional PPC side of running at 350 mhz, with BVision...all squeezed into a desktop case with a powerful power supply??!

[delshay]

All test are done with 256Mb ram.

There is a write problem with Blizzard card clocked at 350Mhz,it trashing the hardrive this is why it has jumped to 380Mhz but still retains very high speed memory access. I know where the problem is and this is the hold-up for processor change over but its not a easy fix.

Bvision may stop working at around 73-77Mhz on the 060 side but you can continue all the way to around 93-95Mhz.

But I don't recommend overclocking Blizzard card to above speed remember Blizzard card has 83Mhz logic.

WARNING: Blizzard logic chips must be cooled for high speed cards.

ALL MODIFICATION AT YOUR OWN RISK

[AmigaClassicRule]

All test are done with 256Mb ram.

There is a write problem with Blizzard card clocked at 350Mhz,it trashing the hardrive this is why it has jumped to 380Mhz but still retains very high speed memory access. I know where the problem is and this is the hold-up for processor change over but its not a easy fix.

Bvision may stop working at around 73-77Mhz on the 060 side but you can continue all the way to around 93-95Mhz.

But I don't recommend overclocking Blizzard card to above speed remember Blizzard card has 83Mhz logic.

WARNING: Blizzard logic chips must be cooled for high powered cards.

ALL MODIFICATION AT YOUR OWN RISK

Question, who would I need to ask to configure a system like that and how much would it cost to make a system like that and what would it take to make a system like that...knowing well it is in a desktop not towered Amiga here.

[rvo_nl]

To be honest I dont think you should clock a 68k+ppc that high unless you really know what you're doing and dont mind if it burns. Delshay has several cards and is apaprently a very skilled overclocker. You could consider the 'stachu' mod if he still does them, since this only affects ppc and is supposedly very 'safe'. I dont think delshay ever clocked a card for someone else?

As for people having told you not to invest in a ppc card for your a1200, think again. It is the best way to upgrade, it will give you 060 and RTG graphics, access to OS4.1 (it really is fast enough now!) and you can still turn it off with a keypress in case you need to go back to that 020 cpu. I would never get an a4000+ppc setup for just that reason alone! And I say this after having burned 3 bvision cards and taking more than a year to get this whole OS3.1/3.9/4.1 system running in perfect harmony. It may be hard to understand, but it was FUN!

[danbeaver]

I think this thread was started to say the card was for sale, not to ponder "life, the universe, and everything."

The PPC extended the usefulness of the Classic Amiga; this card may need the €250 Stachu upgrade to make it able to run OS 4.1 well, but one has to start somewhere.

[rvo_nl]

Why shouldnt we discuss the pros and cons of the object for sale? I'd say its all quite on-topic.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Why shouldnt we discuss the pros and cons of the object for sale? I'd say its all quite on-topic.

Here is why I love classic Amiga, especially A1200. It is a blank toy that can be molded to suit certain community configuration and based on that configuration you get to use certain combination of software library or not.

For example there is the A1200 Apollo 32 MB desktop community, that can enjoy the 68k sweetly in a desktop case but limited to 32 MB of RAM...pretty fast but certain software library even on a 68k cannot run due to the 32 Mb of RAM limitation.

Then there is the A1200 Apollo 64 MB Tower community, who can enjoy the Apollo even more with much larger software library and have fun in AGA mode.

Then you have Blizzard 1260 128 Tower with AGA a little slower in CPU but even larger quantity of RAM but possible RTG upgrades and so on and so on

So you guys can see where I am coming from right? A very versatile configurable toy where you can join a certain community of the same configuration you have. Amiga classic is truly IS my favorite toy!

[AAACHIPSET]

i would love a working  ppc/68k card  ...but considering  at present im running a blizzard card with 030/50 fpu/mmu  an scsi  attached  which has served me very well  ..where  as in my cupboard is a 040 card  an a ppc/040 card ..both which have just stopped working for no reason i can work out ..ram maybe  or power supply  but i spent a lot of money  on the 040  an ppc card ..bout  350  for the 040  an i think about 600.00  for the ppc  ..its old technology ..no warranty  ..high  risk .
an yes if a 060 comes along or a ppc at a good price i may be tempted ..but to do what with ?? ..my 1200 does everything i want  games whdownload  ..with usb an a aga indivision its easily  the best 1200 i ever had, some  nights  i just point mystic view  to the pictures directory an watch my amiga display  100s  pics  an wallpapers .....ive considered  one of the new ppc boards  to run 0s4 ..an probably  i think thats the way to go  ..in australia  they are rare  ..so thats no gonna happen for a while  ..even been tempted to buy a 2nd hand  g4 ..good  prices  now  just to try morph os  ...its a hobby  to me  ...planning to  fix my 030 for my a500 an play  with it during the french open tennis  ..that will prob start me off again upgrading  the a500 this time ..oh  an if someone in sydney australia knows  how to fix a used 040 or ppc  ..message  me ..never know maybe they can live again !!

[danbeaver]

Why shouldnt we discuss the pros and cons of the object for sale? I'd say its all quite on-topic.

Because this is a "For Sale" thread, not a "Free-for-all" fight over the merits of the card.  That belongs in the "Discussion" threads.