Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?

[Lord Aga]

All three variants of the 68060 (standard, LC, and EC) were offered in that form (its called a CQFP) and were all pin compatible.

BGA variants have pretty much replaced this design.

And, of course, PGA is still offered for those that prefer socketed processors.

I don't understand your point.

There is no point I was really asking because I don't know anything about the latest versions of 060s. Thanx for the info

So they are most probably relabeled chips. Or copies. But if they work well who cares. Maybe someone can "persuade" the Chinese to try and make a new version on smaller process.

[Iggy]

@lordaga

Not only do they work really well, but they're still plenty around.
That's why I don't understand why they aren't being used in accelerators.
Sure, there are some challenges (getting around the lack of an FPU is probably the biggest).
But they're cheap!

And since they are usually based on later masks they have less bugs and run cooler (lacking an FPU and MMU helps too).

If we had a good public domain design, we could be using these right now (and they would way out perform an '030).

[Blinx123]

Knowing the Chinese, they probably took one 68060 LC/EC apart, duplicated the whole logic and started mass-producing them.

I don't think they've simply relabeled the old ones, since they would run out of stock way too fast that way.

[Iggy]

Knowing the Chinese, they probably took one 68060 LC/EC apart, duplicated the whole logic and started mass-producing them.

I don't know.
The fact that they're selling the surface mount version instead of a ball grid array makes me  think they're salvaging embedded processors.

A bga can be reused too.
But re-balled is complicated and tedious.

[Iggy]

Check this thread out.

http://boardreader.com/thread/My_68EC060_has_an_FPU_Will_it_have_a_MMU_1jo99Xuiw.html

Apparently LC and EC CPUs don't always have non-functioning FPUs and MMUs.

Although the chips might not run at 75MHz or more while using this parts.

Apparently there are CyberstormPPC cards and Apollo 1260s with EC components installed on them.

Now we know why some of these overclock well.

Anyone with a 1260 willing to install a 75MHz EC processor on it?

I'll even pay to have it done and set up to run at 80MHz.

[ChaosLord]

Check this thread out.

http://boardreader.com/thread/My_68EC060_has_an_FPU_Will_it_have_a_MMU_1jo99Xuiw.html

Apparently LC and EC CPUs don't always have non-functioning FPUs and MMUs.

Although the chips might not run at 75MHz or more while using this parts.

Apparently there are CyberstormPPC cards and Apollo 1260s with EC components installed on them.

Now we know why some of these overclock well.

The part number on my Apollo 1260 indicates that it is lacking an MMU and/or FPU.  I thought I had been ripped off!
But the MMU an FPU are both in there and they work.

You can't completely trust the markings.

[Iggy]

The part number on my Apollo 1260 indicates that it is lacking an MMU and/or FPU.  I thought I had been ripped off!
But the MMU an FPU are both in there and they work.

You can't completely trust the markings.

Apparently not.

BTW - BGA 68EC060RC75 is available.

And PGA 68LC060RC75 is available in quantity up to 1000.

I'm getting suspicious that Jens is jerking us around.

Claims the Apollo design is unstable  when users have some running @ 80MHz and also claims 68060s are not available in quantity for production.

WTF?
I'm not sure I have as much faith in the guy as I used to.

[ChaosLord]

How much do those 060s cost that you are looking at?

[Blinx123]

Apparently not.

BTW - BGA 68EC060RC75 is available.

And PGA 68LC060RC75 is available in quantity up to 1000.

I'm getting suspicious that Jens is jerking us around.

Claims the Apollo design is unstable  when users have some running @ 80MHz and also claims 68060s are not available in quantity for production.

WTF?
I'm not sure I have as much faith in the guy as I used to.

Lol. So I'm not the only one.

Prices seem pretty high though. Perhaps that's why Jens isn't ordering them.

[ChaosLord]

Claims the Apollo design is unstable  when users have some running @ 80MHz

I know a friend who has had his Apollo 060 running at  100Mhz+ for many years.  Never had a problem.

I would say there are a lot of ppl with them running at 80Mhz+

There is nothing wrong with Apollo 060 cards in and of themselves.

The problems are with the SCSI addon cards.  A lot of ppl complain about the SCSI addon card.  But that in no way means that the Apollo 060 card cannot be used a great accelerator.


It is possible that there was some kind of problem in the first batch of Apollos or something like that and maybe that has him confused?

Or maybe all Apollos were perfect, except for the last batch?

I am not saying any Apollos are bad, I am just throwing out ideas.

All I know is mine seems to work ok at 50Mhz for 13+ years

Maybe Jens got stuck with a giant stockpile of 030s that he is trying to clear out?

Maybe if we wait 5 years for him to sell them all then he will make us an 060 card?

Who knows?

[Iggy]

Prices seem pretty high though. Perhaps that's why Jens isn't ordering them.

Pretty much the reason I'd think, too.
Can't make much profit on a board which has a $220 processor (that ought to sell for about $19.95)
Maybe buying "FE133s" isn't so dumb after all.

[ChaosLord]

$220.00 for just the cpu in 2012 is quite ridiculous.

How much are the FE133s?

[Iggy]

$220.00 for just the cpu in 2012 is quite ridiculous.
 
How much are the FE133s?

One company quoted $19.95.
Most slightly higher (although not as silly as US pricing).

[Lurch]

$19.95 for some 68060 goodness? :-) As long as they do the job I'm not fussed to how real it is.  Still 60+ Mips?  

Sure beats the 68030 :-)

[Lord Aga]

Told ya FEs were good stuff
They may lack MMU and/or FPU, but they are still blazing fast for such a price.
I think the FE accelerator is bound to happen sooner than later. Someone will always pick up a torch.

[Blinx123]

$220.00 for just the cpu in 2012 is quite ridiculous.

How much are the FE133s?

I don't even know where he's got that quote from.

Last I looked, they charged almost $500US at a batch order of 1000.