Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?

[ChaosLord]

The FPU on standard '60s wasn't that great anyway.

I donno what u mean by that.  I say the 060 FPU is awesome.  Sure it has less instructions than 040 FPU but it has the most common ones and they are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast.

[alexh]

But if so, well everyone has bought into it since they are the same chips everyone is using these days for fast 060 cards.

Yeah?? I thought the chips "everyone" was using for fast 060 cards were the standard MC68060RC50 with mask E41J (Revision 6).

People are now using these fake MC68060FE133 with adapter boards and living without FPU and MMU?

[Lord Aga]

Nope, sent an inquiry to Freescale about the part number.

Return message stated the following:
"I can confirm that MC68060FE133 is not a valid Freescale part number".

Who are you going to believe, the company that designed the 68K series or some Chinese vendors?

These are probably relabeled 75MHz MC68EC060s (which lack an FPU).
That chip can be successfully overclocked to 90 or 100MHz.

But that does not alter the fact that the fastest 68060 ever produced was only rated for 75MHz.

I know Freescale denied any connection to these FE CPUs. But...
This is how an FE CPU looks like:



Can you find a pic of the 75MHz MC68EC060 ?
Do they look the same ? If not, then they are not relabeled CPUs.
Copies maybe. Probably. But if they work who cares ? If Freescale doesn't want to push 060s any further I salute the one who does. Hell, give us 200MHz 060 copies in even smaller production process.

[Rob]

The 68LC060 75Mhz found on the Apollo 1260 daughter card was an SMT package too.  I think the FE is simply the same chip relabled.

[AmigaClassicRule]

The 68LC060 75Mhz found on the Apollo 1260 daughter card was an SMT package too. I think the FE is simply the same chip relabled.

 
I am 100% confused at the conclusion of the OP. What is the conclusion? :huh:

[pampers]

I am 100% confused at the conclusion of the OP. What is the conclusion? :huh:

The conclusion is that AFAIK Jens said that few times before that any 040/060 accelerator won't happen. You better hold your breath on FPGAArcade and 060 daughterboard.

[AmigaClassicRule]

The conclusion is that AFAIK Jens said that few times before that any 040/060 accelerator won't happen. You better hold your breath on FPGAArcade and 060 daughterboard.

What is a 060 daughterboard? Wait is FPGAArcade like MiniMag an emulator in a hardware or is it a REAL THING? Like real CPU, real Custom chip, etc?

[ChaosLord]

What is a 060 daughterboard? Wait is FPGAArcade like MiniMag an emulator in a hardware or is it a REAL THING? Like real CPU, real Custom chip, etc?

The 060 daughterboard is just an 060 accelerator +128MB RAM for the FPGAreplay/arcade.

The 060 daughterboard has a REAL 060 and REAL 128MB RAM.


The custom chips in the FPGAreplay are REAL custom chips engineered by a bunch of Amiga guys who got tired of waiting around for new hardware.  So they are not 100% compatible but they are supposed to be opensource so the compatibility steadily rises each year.

I don't have one yet because I have been waiting and waiting for the 060 accelerator option to be released.  As any Amiga with less than 060 is just not interesting to me.  No reason for me to buy a brand new Amiga that is worse than my 20 year old one.

When I get one I can give you more detailed info.

[AmigaClassicRule]

The 060 daughterboard is just an 060 accelerator +128MB RAM for the FPGAreplay/arcade.
 
The 060 daughterboard has a REAL 060 and REAL 128MB RAM.
 
 
The custom chips in the FPGAreplay are REAL custom chips engineered by a bunch of Amiga guys who got tired of waiting around for new hardware. So they are not 100% compatible but they are supposed to be opensource so the compatibility steadily rises each year.
 
I don't have one yet because I have been waiting and waiting for the 060 accelerator option to be released. As any Amiga with less than 060 is just not interesting to me. No reason for me to buy a brand new Amiga that is worse than my 20 year old one.
 
When I get one I can give you more detailed info.

So is the output of the FPGAreplay then is the same quality as a classic Amiga and not like the emulator (pixelated and stuff like that)?
 
Can I hook it in a TV or my Commodore 1084s if I wanted too?
 
Finally if they are improving it each year, is it hardware improvement or software based improvement? Since it is not emulated and since it is a real hardware and since it is a custom chipset real...I am planning to buy this hardware instead of MiniMag then! I know it does not come in a sexy case like A1200 but this is another Amiga classic alternative with 060 I may enjoy it as I would with the real A1200 too.
 
I have my eyes on it. I do hope they plan to upgrade the Chip RAM from 2 MB to something higher than that...while they are at it...it would be awesome if they can do an "AAA" like custom chipset while supporting AGA/ECS/OCS too...then this would be something of a feat that Natami have failed on. Imagine a new custom chipset that improves over AGA, then you do not need RTG..it would be faster, support higher resolution, build in 3D, etc.
 
OH ONE MORE THING. I am bolding this because it is very important to me, but can I use real HD and Disk Drive? I prefer it better than virtual...if they are going real..they should give me the option to use everthing real too including disk drive and HD.

[psxphill]

So is the output of the FPGAreplay then is the same quality as a classic Amiga and not like the emulator (pixelated and stuff like that)?

Pixelated graphics is because of the monitor. If you plug your Amiga into a modern monitor then it will look bad. If you plug your PC into a 1084ST then it will look like an Amiga did.
 
While an FPGAReplay is cool, it's not worth buying one just because you think emulators are bad because of pixelated graphics.
 
I don't plug my Amiga into my TV because of that, I won't even plug a PlayStation into it.

[yssing]

Why is it that you total chaos site does not work?

[Iggy]

I know Freescale denied any connection to these FE CPUs. But...
This is how an FE CPU looks like:



Can you find a pic of the 75MHz MC68EC060 ?
Do they look the same ? If not, then they are not relabeled CPUs.
Copies maybe. Probably. But if they work who cares ? If Freescale doesn't want to push 060s any further I salute the one who does. Hell, give us 200MHz 060 copies in even smaller production process.

All three variants of the 68060 (standard, LC, and EC) were offered in that form (its called a CQFP) and were all pin compatible.

Here's the layout for one.

http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/package_info/MC68060PP2.pdf?fpsp=1&WT_TYPE=Packaging%20Information&WT_VENDOR=FREESCALE&WT_FILE_FORMAT=pdf&WT_ASSET=Documentation

BGA variants have pretty much replaced this design.

And, of course, PGA is still offered for those that prefer socketed processors.

I don't understand your point.
CQFPs predate BGAs.
And as far as I know, I can't get that much good technical info or illustrations of obsolete parts.

I was lucky to dig up this reference (Freescale has things like this tucked away).
After all, Thomas must have used a similar diagram to create the '060 board based on this package.

But I would be willing to bet that the final masks of EC and LC parts can clock as high as the fictional FE.

[ChaosLord]

Why is it that you total chaos site does not work?

Because the fan who ran it disappeared

It was such a beautiful site.  A black background.  Nice forums.  All reviews were there and easy to find.  All gone

There are other fansites but they have no forums and are hopelessly out of date.  They don't even have links to reviews or anything. :cry:

[Iggy]

@Chaoslord,

You are so right. When it comes to processors for an FPGA (or original) Amiga, nothing beats a real '060 yet.
And earlier someone mentioned the idea of relabeling '040s as '060.
Since per cycle, the '060 performs better, it  wouldn't be hard to detect.

[ChaosLord]

if you are talking about highly optimized assembly routines and programs for 040/060 then I guess you have a point, esp when coupled w/ some of the overclocked 060s I'm hearing about.  

Amiga community is filled with guys who sit around all day writing highly optimized asm routines.

Only Amiga makes it possible.

[Lord Aga]

All three variants of the 68060 (standard, LC, and EC) were offered in that form (its called a CQFP) and were all pin compatible.

BGA variants have pretty much replaced this design.

And, of course, PGA is still offered for those that prefer socketed processors.

I don't understand your point.

There is no point I was really asking because I don't know anything about the latest versions of 060s. Thanx for the info

So they are most probably relabeled chips. Or copies. But if they work well who cares. Maybe someone can "persuade" the Chinese to try and make a new version on smaller process.