MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing

[_ThEcRoW]

You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.

Are you for real?. Even using a lightweight desktop as lxde, it's slower than mos, and it is a fact. Have you tried morphos on that same machine?

[jj]

Actually, I posted this thread on MorphZone just before the release of 3.0.
 
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8496&forum=3
 
And, yes, it still pisses me off that more effort wasn't put toward this.
I have no interest in a tethered notebook.

The argument that most people do not move their laptops around is probably correct.  The alienware Laptop I have just ordered is a desktop replacement, and my current laptops spend most of their time on the coffee table.

That is not to say that Me or the wife would be happy with a  CAT5 cable trailing across the living room.

The apparent lack of interest of getting wifi capabilities in the os is really starting to sour things for me.

[LoadWB]

The argument that most people do not move their laptops around is probably correct.  The alienware Laptop I have just ordered is a desktop replacement, and my current laptops spend most of their time on the coffee table.

That is not to say that Me or the wife would be happy with a  CAT5 cable trailing across the living room.

The apparent lack of interest of getting wifi capabilities in the os is really starting to sour things for me.

IMNSHO, ten years ago a lack of interest in wireless wouldn't have been a big issue.  In 2012, however, wireless networks are pretty much ubiquitous.  I have some networks (mostly home networks) which are nothing BUT wireless.  Having said that, the target audience for MorphOS isn't necessarily an AirPort-centric network, and for my MacMini wireless is a convenience more than a necessity.  A laptop without wireless is none the less silly.

[Crumb]

In terms of general usefulness, I think some Linux distros are way ahead of MorphOS even without a desktop environment.

In terms of general usefulness I think Windows is *much* more useful than all your linux distros together, but I care more about general amiga-ness, that's why I care about Amiga apps, Amiga demos,...

I get along quite fine with it on modest hardware with just ratpoison/openbox, and if there's something I want to do, I can rest assured that there's an application for it in the package repository.

Feel free to launch MAWI demos like Fluffy Digital Snowflakes on your Linux box.

But I agree that MorphOS is much more responsive and lightweight, and seems more swift however you look at it. Typing cryptic commands on a shell isn't all that bad if it's the fastest way to get a job done.

Having crap GUIs is the usual linux excuse to use cli.

Either way it is, it seems reasonable to ask you to back up hard claims with hard numbers, though!

IIRC there are various benchmarks showing MPlayer and other players running on OS4/MorphOS/Linux/OSX. I don't have much time to perform tests but could do it in some weeks I guess

[Dragster]

Now just the wireless driver and it'll all be good

...and 3D support for Powerbooks...

[billt]

I was hoping for an A1104 12", bu tI don't see any 12's supported. (Yes, odd that I want a small 12) I plan to have a decent PC workstation laptop, the hypothetical OS4 netbook, and if I get a MorphOS one too then I'd like it to be smaller as well so I'm not carrying around a ton of stuff.

[commodorejohn]

I was hoping for an A1104 12", bu tI don't see any 12's supported. (Yes, odd that I want a small 12) I plan to have a decent PC workstation laptop, the hypothetical OS4 netbook, and if I get a MorphOS one too then I'd like it to be smaller as well so I'm not carrying around a ton of stuff.

Nothing odd about wanting a small laptop, saves circulation in your legs Sadly, though, the 12" models aren't likely to be supported, as they use an nVidia chip for which there's very little information available to hobbyist/small-scale developers.

[Iggy]

The argument that most people do not move their laptops around is probably correct.  The alienware Laptop I have just ordered is a desktop replacement, and my current laptops spend most of their time on the coffee table.

That is not to say that Me or the wife would be happy with a  CAT5 cable trailing across the living room.

The apparent lack of interest of getting wifi capabilities in the os is really starting to sour things for me.

The only time I use a laptop or other portable device is when I'm on the move (otherwise I use one of my desktops).

[commodorejohn]

I use a laptop as my main machine, and the only time it's on a flat surface is when I'm using it to look up information for one of the computers on my desk, or when I'm eating. Most of my computer usage is on the bed or on the couch.

[takemehomegrandma]

@wifi discussion

Don't you realize you're kicking in open doors here? Is anyone claiming WiFi is a bad idea?

[Linde]

In terms of general usefulness I think Windows is *much* more useful than all your linux distros together, but I care more about general amiga-ness, that's why I care about Amiga apps, Amiga demos,...

Well, the Amiga demos that you can run under MorphOS are a serious minority, so judging by your own requirements you'd probably be better of with classic hardware and OS 3.x, I think. There's no point arguing over what OS is better if there's no common point of reference, anyway.

Having crap GUIs is the usual linux excuse to use cli.

At this point I assume that you are just trolling. What I'm trying to say is that a CLI is very useful for some tasks, regardless of the GUI. If you disagree with that, I guess you have been too busy watching Fluffy Digital Snowflakes to do anything seriously productive with your computer.

[Duce]

@wifi discussion

Don't you realize you're kicking in open doors here? Is anyone claiming WiFi is a bad idea?

No, no one is saying the addition of support for wifi for the PPC Mac portables within MOS would be anything BUT a tremendously good thing for MOS.  People are merely curious why it isn't there already, and in lieu of an answer to that, when/if it should even be expected.  Despite what many people are claiming, that people don't buy laptops (new or used) with the intent to use them (sometimes solely) on wifi networks, a portable computer should have portable, wireless connectivity.  Anything less is unacceptable - I wouldn't buy a brand new commodity laptop if I knew the wifi chip in it was essentially useless, even if I didn't have issues with using 30 foot CAT 5 cables to get it networked.

I'll shoulder 99% of my own stupidity for not checking that it would 100% supported within 3.0 before I picked up a PB, but at the end of the day I've got a laptop that's essentially non functional to me without wifi support at OS level.  One would have assumed support for PPC Mac portables would include wifi, defeats the purpose of a portable system otherwise, no?

Was looking forward to porting some programs from OS4 to MOS in a comfortable (portable) setting on this PB I bought, and I need network connectivity for that.  CAT 5 or add on cards aren't an option.

Again, I asked before:  is there an ETA on wifi support for the PB's, or do I have myself a shiny boat anchor here?  Feel free to PM me the answer if you like, I get no joy from picking nits over this in a public fashion, as I know the MOS guys busted ass getting 3.0 out the door.  I've got no interest in running Linux or OS X on it, I already have Linux, Windows and OS X portables.

[Frags]

No ETA but you can bet your life it`s getting worked on so just play with it as it is for now I guess.  It`s only a toy after all!

[Geit]

Was looking forward to porting some programs from OS4 to MOS in a comfortable (portable) setting on this PB I bought, and I need network connectivity for that.

I usually need some editor and a compiler for coding, unless I code some application that needs network itself.

CAT 5 or add on cards aren't an option. Is there an ETA on wifi support for the PB's, or do I have myself a shiny boat anchor here?

Normaly I would say get some Asus WL330gE and you have wifi right now, but since you don´t accept any additional hardware, I would say don´t wait for it.

Support for the known wireless pcmcia cards will be added to one of the next MorphOS updates.

The wireless stuff is simply not ready to be used by the masses.

Geit

[EvilGuy]

The wireless stuff is simply not ready to be used by the masses.

Really? I mean, when you say "the masses" you're really talking about that miniscule group of people that a) can be assed getting an ancient Mac b) know what morphos is c) can be bothered to pay the exorbitant fee to purchase it and then install it and d) know that they're using an OS that is crippled in terms of hardware it supports and software it runs.

I think if the wireless isn't ready for those "masses" then it must be a state of non-written-ness.

[Piru]

Really? I mean, when you say "the masses" you're really talking about that miniscule group of people that a) can be assed getting an ancient Mac b) know what morphos is c) can be bothered to pay the exorbitant fee to purchase it and then install it and d) know that they're using an OS that is crippled in terms of hardware it supports and software it runs.

I think if the wireless isn't ready for those "masses" then it must be a state of non-written-ness.

Are you really suggesting that users should be manually writing cryptic wpa_supplicant.conf files in order to get online? This stuff really is not ready for wider audiences yet.