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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2012, 09:22:15 PM »
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Actually installing OSX after MorphOS is a no-brainer when there allready is a big HFS(+) partition in place.

The OSX-installer will just let you use it but once it's done OSX will be the default boot-options (which can be changed by useing the last chapters of that dual-boot manual).


Don't you also need the according padding partitions? I never understood what exactly they are needed for by OS X...

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2012, 11:30:37 PM »
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I guess what aggravates me is the double-standard in the geek world.  16 Apple //e computers networked together is uber; running TCP/IP on a 1982 Timex is cool*; building a watch out of Nixie tubes is bonerific; but an operating system with modern capabilities for PowerPC is just a bunch of old farts trying to hold onto a dead dream and beat a dead horse.


What modern capabilities? What year are you from? :laughing:
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2012, 11:36:06 PM »
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MorphOS is more responsive, plays HD videos better and faster and includes a nice HTML5 browser. Moreover, it allows you to run Amiga software (including PPC demos) at decent speeds, unlike OSX+uae. I can launch modern amiga demos directly (unlike OSX). MorphOS is supported and updated.

PS: I haven't benchmarked it but Poseidon seems faster than OSX transfering files through USB2. Perhaps RTCW is faster on MorphOS too.


You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #92 on: June 13, 2012, 01:13:16 AM »
@kolla

you have a weird perception of time, linux on G4 minis is slow compared to morphos.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #93 on: June 13, 2012, 01:38:56 AM »
Actually, I can sympathize with Kolla here: If you have a lightweight distro and a lightweight x11 manager it is no slower than MOS, of course Ambient is kickass to many of the basic x11 managers available.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #94 on: June 13, 2012, 03:30:39 AM »
MiorphOS has never been tempting (so much fun!) (kind of hear "War: so much fun" from Cannon Fodder
Congrats on going mobile :-) Sadly, PPC Laptop macs are kind of hader to go buy then Mac Minis. At least it looks like that to me.

Just for thinking, I am willing to buy X1000 version of MOS 3.x and we`ll see how many users are too if you open "real community challenge" not the CUSA one (maybe include SAMs?) and remember Trevor offered you Nemo board.

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #95 on: June 13, 2012, 10:27:19 AM »
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You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.


I care about amiga stuff, I don't give a f**k about linux. My HD videos play faster on MorphOS than on OSX and files are copied faster. I bet that videos are played faster than on linux too. But you wouldn't care anyway since you like linux and you have more fun typing cryptic commands on a shell so I doubt you know what a responsive system is. Even xfce feels slow compared to any Amiga desktop.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #96 on: June 13, 2012, 11:07:43 AM »
I'm going to try upgrading today. Anyone try the new Scintilla based editor?

I was thinking I might start looking into getting a supported laptop, but without WLAN it won't be very useful to me, so is support for that planned?
 

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #97 on: June 13, 2012, 11:16:10 AM »
I'm honestly staggered that more people aren't annoyed that built in wifi in the PB's simply is non existent in 3.0.  I sourced a cheap PB compatible with 3.0, only to find out it's a paperweight.  A laptop without wireless support at OS level is a brick, a doorstop, a paperweight in this day and age.  You don't buy a laptop with childish glee, dreaming about plugging it into a CAT 5 cable.

Just me on this one, lol?  A PCMCIA card isn't an option on a laptop, it just rapes battery life even if it is supported by the OS.
 

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #98 on: June 13, 2012, 11:23:43 AM »
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I care about amiga stuff, I don't give a f**k about linux. My HD videos play faster on MorphOS than on OSX and files are copied faster. I bet that videos are played faster than on linux too. But you wouldn't care anyway since you like linux and you have more fun typing cryptic commands on a shell so I doubt you know what a responsive system is. Even xfce feels slow compared to any Amiga desktop.


In terms of general usefulness, I think some Linux distros are way ahead of MorphOS even without a desktop environment. I get along quite fine with it on modest hardware with just ratpoison/openbox, and if there's something I want to do, I can rest assured that there's an application for it in the package repository. But I agree that MorphOS is much more responsive and lightweight, and seems more swift however you look at it. Typing cryptic commands on a shell isn't all that bad if it's the fastest way to get a job done. :)

Either way it is, it seems reasonable to ask you to back up hard claims with hard numbers, though!

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #99 on: June 13, 2012, 11:41:27 AM »
Just when you thought it couldn't get any better, couldn't get any faster, then MorphOS 3.0 is released! :) And there are so many improvements!

Everything feels a little bit faster. Some people has measured faster memory speed in general, some people has measured a great improvement in 3D graphics speed, network feels faster, and the Odyssey browser is up to 40% faster in version 1.17! Speaking of which, the changelog for Odyssey 1.17 isn't available on the net, so for those interested, here it is:

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- 14.05.2012: Odyssey Web Browser 1.17
  - Updated to WebKit r114842 (April 2012).
  - Updated to Cairo 1.12 and Pixman 0.24.4: gives about 40% speedup in rendering.
  - Updated to ICU 4.9.1: the data files are now stored externally in
    PROGDIR:resource/icudt49b/ to save some memory. Make sure to copy them if you
    update (a requester will warn you if you don't).
  - Updated to OpenSSL 1.0.0j.
  - Updated to Curl 7.25.0.
  - Updated to FFMPEG GIT from 13.05.2012.
  - Updated to SQLite 3.7.11.
  - Updated to libXML2 2.7.8 and libXSLT 1.1.26.
  - History completion popup is now multithreaded, which fixes a latency issue when
    typing the URL.
  - Implemented form filling completion feature. It can be enabled in prefs->privacy settings.
    Note that you calltips.mcc is required, which is included with MorphOS 3+ or 2.x SDK
    with Scribble.
  - The "add bookmark" button now has two states, to indicate whether the current
    URL is already bookmarked or not.
  - Adding a bookmark from the browser window now always adds it to the end of
    the bookmarks, and no longer at the end of the currently selected group.
  - Added Back/Forward/Reload/Stop in view menu.
  - The password from the URL is now removed if present, when setting the comment
    of a downloaded file.    
  - Fixed the "Open in new window" function that didn't work anymore in 1.16 due
    to the new popup policy option.
  - Fixed attachments not working anymore in GMail.
  - Fixed again AltGr key handling for GoogleDocs.
  - Fixed pasting from clipboard when multiple text chunks are used (YAM does it).
  - Escape unwanted characters in bookmarks URLs, aliases and titles.  
  - Prune favicons database at startup, since it can really grow a lot over time.
  - Tweaked cross origin access control to make youtube video upload work.
  - Fixed some issue with 401 handling. Should fix some cPanel administration pages,
    for instance (hello Christoph and Pampers :)).
  - Fixed pagination in PDF export.
  - Fixed HTML5 local storage.
  - Fixed some WebSocket potential crash issue at disconnection.
  - Attempt to fix some deadlock issue in mediaplayer at disposal under heavy stress.
  - Avoid spawning an useless video decoder thread for audio-only files, and vice-versa.


There is a simple and easy to use disk burning/copying tool for CD's and DVD's that really should be enough for most peoples needs in this area! :) There is also this tool - Flacapella - that rips CDDA (music CD's) to Flac/Waw format!

The OS features its own FTP/SFTP client now, works great. Now MorphOS has not only a great Web browser built in, but also a FTP client. A built-in mail client would make it kind of complete. ;)

The new PDF viewer is great! It's very fast and handles more complex PDF files. :)

Scribble is a very nice text editor built on Scintilla, in fact, scintilla is now part of the OS as a custom MUI class (Classes/MUI/Scintilla.mcc)! :cool: Scribble was previously part of the updated MorphOS SDK, but now it's available to everyone. You can see it in action here: http://www.morphos-team.net/files/scribble.mp4 (it's one of the nicest ones ever seen on Amiga IMHO)! :)

The integrated crypto File System "Kryptos" (based on TrueCrypt) was updated to TrueCrypt v7.0a.

*A lot* happened to Reggae (finally ;)):

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Classes/Reggae/id3tag.demuxer - Basic handling of ID3v2 (2.2, 2.3, 2.4) tags.
Classes/Reggae/iffdeep.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for IFF DEEP images.
Classes/Reggae/iffdeep.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for IFF DEEP images.
Classes/Reggae/iffilbm.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for IFF ILBM images.
Classes/Reggae/iffilbm.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for IFF ILBM images.
Classes/Reggae/jpeg.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for JPEG images.
Classes/Reggae/jpeg.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for JPEG images.
Classes/Reggae/degas.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for Atari Degas/Neochrome images.
Classes/Reggae/degas.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for Atari Degas/Neochrome images.
Classes/Reggae/mpegaudio.demuxer - changes and fixes
Classes/Reggae/multiread.buffer - fixes
Classes/Reggae/pcx.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for PCX images.
Classes/Reggae/pcx.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for PCX images.
Classes/Reggae/png.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for PNG images.
Classes/Reggae/png.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for PNG images.
Classes/Reggae/rawaudio.filter - Added support for unsigned 16-bit PCM formats (both endians).
Classes/Reggae/rawvideo.filter [NEW] - Wrapper class for processing raw PCM video streams in different formats.
Classes/Reggae/sunraster.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for SunRaster images.
Classes/Reggae/sunraster.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for SunRaster images.
Classes/Reggae/targa.decoder [NEW] - Decoder for Targa images.
Classes/Reggae/targa.demuxer [NEW] - Demultiplexer for Targa images.
Classes/Reggae/videopcm.decoder - supports many formats, AltiVec accelerated


I think we see a "Datatypes NG" sailing up here, and this is very cool! :D

Jukebox is a simple but very nice music player based on Reggae!

The Lua scripting language is now part of the system, with an additional module that allows sending commands to applications in a way compatible with ARexx. This is great! :)

A netprinter.device was added, spellchecker.library was added, etc (you can use it in Odyssey for example). Lots of minor additions, fixes and improvements, all over the place! And the *Video Thumbnails*! How cool isn't that?! :D

MUI got more eyecandy, it's faster and more debugged. Ambient is very tight with MUI, and you notice small but important improvements in Ambient on many places! The best Amiga desktop just became better! :D

Another big thing about MorphOS 3.0 is that a lot of work has gone into supporting laptop technologies. As a result, MorphOS now features Battery sensor, temperature readings, setting backlight, power saving, multi finger touchpad support, etc. This resulted in:

Native PowerBook support! :D

And I guess that when much of the required laptop technology is in place, it gets much easier to continue this path... ;)

The price drop of the OS is very welcome I think:

MacMini
PowerMac
eMac
Pegasos1
Pegasos2

... they all down to just €79 now! :) And the Efika down to €49! I registered MorphOS 2.0 back when it was released in 2008, and it has been a free ride ever since, all upgrades for free, even the jump to 3.x! Conclusion: Great value! :)

I am very impressed with MorphOS 3.0, and I'm very happy about it!

The best just became a hell of a lot better! Go get it! :pint:

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #100 on: June 13, 2012, 12:29:58 PM »
Now just the wireless driver and it'll all be good :)
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #101 on: June 13, 2012, 12:47:22 PM »
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Now just the wireless driver and it'll all be good :)


There is no denying in that, but for those who isn't constantly moving around while using their computer (some actually have no problem in accessing a suitable cable), it might actually be good *already* you know! ;)
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #102 on: June 13, 2012, 12:48:18 PM »
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I'm honestly staggered that more people aren't annoyed that built in wifi in the PB's simply is non existent in 3.0. I sourced a cheap PB compatible with 3.0, only to find out it's a paperweight. A laptop without wireless support at OS level is a brick, a doorstop, a paperweight in this day and age. You don't buy a laptop with childish glee, dreaming about plugging it into a CAT 5 cable.
 
Just me on this one, lol? A PCMCIA card isn't an option on a laptop, it just rapes battery life even if it is supported by the OS.

Sad to say I have to agree with this.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #103 on: June 13, 2012, 02:20:51 PM »
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I'm honestly staggered that more people aren't annoyed that built in wifi in the PB's simply is non existent in 3.0.  I sourced a cheap PB compatible with 3.0, only to find out it's a paperweight.  A laptop without wireless support at OS level is a brick, a doorstop, a paperweight in this day and age.  You don't buy a laptop with childish glee, dreaming about plugging it into a CAT 5 cable.

Just me on this one, lol?  A PCMCIA card isn't an option on a laptop, it just rapes battery life even if it is supported by the OS.


Actually, I posted this thread on MorphZone just before the release of 3.0.

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8496&forum=3

And, yes, it still pisses me off that more effort wasn't put toward this.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #104 from previous page: June 13, 2012, 02:45:13 PM »
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You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.


Are you for real?. Even using a lightweight desktop as lxde, it's slower than mos, and it is a fact. Have you tried morphos on that same machine?
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