Jens Shoenfeld's anwer to the Apollo petition

[AmiDude]

As I said in my previous post, we're not getting anywhere with this, I'm done here.

Great! Bye bye! :quickdraw:

[AmiDude]

The only Apollo who is a bit unstable is the A630@50 (and I think I found the reason why).

Please, be so kind to share your information with us.

[Cosmos Amiga]

I need to check by myself when I'll get one here !

[Crumb]

What, not even the 100MHz Apollo1260 card which Cosmos has running perfectly stable?
http://www.leblogdecosmos.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/68060100.html

I can think of a few games that aren't ACA compatible.... AB3D2TKG, Quake, Payback, Gloom Deluxe, Genetic Species, Doom, Breathless, TFX, Freespace and many more....

Sorry, did I say compatibe? I meant usable.

I guess ACA1230/56Mhz runs these games better than Blizzard030/50 mkIV or Apollo030, at least those that work without FPU.

I'm still waiting for the names of these problematic games that run on fpu-less Blizzard/Apollo but don't work on ACA1230/56. WHDLoad will help run most of problematic games.

At the end of the day some Amiga owners demand real power, and that's where 040/060 Apollo and Blizzard's come into play. More so the Apollo because I believe that there are a lot more of those cards around (for better or for worse). Apollo's are also faster than Blizzard's. People can only work with what they have available to them.

I would love an ACA1260 with SATA for my A1200, but I don't expect it anytime soon. ACA 040 may be a possibility in the future as 040s are easier to find, but only Jens will see if there are real sales. 040/060 boards are more expensive due to extra logic required to interface 040 to amiga bus and most of people will complain about it being too expensive so he may end up with a pile of unsold accelerators.

[magnetic]

I would love an ACA1260 with SATA for my A1200, but I don't expect it anytime soon. .

In this case "any time soon" = "not in our lifetime"

[Crumb]

In this case "any time soon" = "not in our lifetime"

It depends on demand, if AmigaKit&Vesalia found a good source of 060s and ordered him a pair of hundreds of ACAs 1260 perhaps we would see it happen. There are more chances it happens with 040s but who knows, I already have 060s and I'm looking forward to ACA520 :-)

[LoadWB]

Are accelerators beholden to the personality of specific processors?  If not, then perhaps a run of unpopulated 060 accelerators for which the user provides his or her own CPU?  If Jens could make an 060 card better than my CyberStorm MKIII or Blizzard 1260 with on-board SATA and more RAM, I'd happily pull the 060 from either or both boards.

[billt]

If not, then perhaps a run of unpopulated 060 accelerators for which the user provides his or her own CPU?  

It's too bad that legitimate 060's are so hard to find. What if he did that, and then got lots of complaints from people buying 060's from sketchy sellers in Shenzen hocking substandard/counterfeit parts?

[LoadWB]

It's too bad that legitimate 060's are so hard to find. What if he did that, and then got lots of complaints from people buying 060's from sketchy sellers in Shenzen hocking substandard/counterfeit parts?

That's really not his problem.  With the reports of counterfeit 060s floating around recently, I'm not confident enough to buy any of them on-line, anyway.  Like I said, I'd strip my CyberStorm MKIII or Blizzard.

But, I can see how that presents a problem for him as there are a lot of people out there who simply don't get caveat emptor when sourcing potentially dodgy parts.  I deal with that all the time from hobbyist PC builders who want to know why a bunch of cheap parts purchased from some online suppliers just don't work together if at all.  God forbid a good part from me is in the mix, because I'm the one who takes that fall because I'm the only one who they can actually get hold of!

[Crumb]

If not, then perhaps a run of unpopulated 060 accelerators for which the user provides his or her own CPU?

I think that a new cpu card should include cpu.

[LoadWB]

I think that a new cpu card should include cpu.

That's all well and good when the CPUs are in production and ready supply.  Unless someone has a FPGA 68060 replacement ready to roll...?

[paul1981]

Ok i have never driven a hyundai/kia or skoda - but i know i don't want one. So no i have never had an apollo and i know i don't want one to upset my 1200.
 
And No you would take the 680x0 chip off first and then put it in the bin

So if Cosmos was to be so kind as to give you his Apollo1260/105MHz for free, then you would simply remove the CPU, then toss the card in the bin?
I've never heard so much crap as that.

[Snoozy]

So if Cosmos was to be so kind as to give you his Apollo1260/105MHz for free, then you would simply remove the CPU, then toss the card in the bin?
I've never heard so much crap as that.

Yes the best thing about the apollo cards is the cpu on them; as Individual Computers have documented the rest of the card is based on design error and functions on the basis of luck and possible compatibility with the mobo revision.

Arguing with apollo supporters is a bit like shadow boxing and i have neither the time nor inclination for further comment as i've made my view point known.

[_ThEcRoW]

I dont understand why spend money to bury all the designs. It's even idiotic when huge companies do, that when is done on smaller markets it doesn't make sense.
If he had to trow all the money, why not fund a ppc project instead of buying a technology in order to destroy it?

[Damion]

and i have neither the time nor inclination for further comment as i've made my view point known

Probably a good idea, I doubt anyone cares since you've never even owned an Apollo 1260. On the other hand, Jens' comments are fully respectable considering his background and expertise. The fact is all those old accelerators had their compromises, you just decide what's most important for you and enjoy the experience.

[Snoozy]

Probably a good idea, I doubt anyone cares since you've never even owned an Apollo 1260. On the other hand, Jens' comments are fully respectable considering his background and expertise. The fact is all those old accelerators had their compromises, you just decide what's most important for you and enjoy the experience.

So you make sweeping comments for all on amiga org?

And i have tended to treat your comments with the same level of disregard