Jens Shoenfeld's anwer to the Apollo petition

[Snoozy]

Probably a good idea, I doubt anyone cares since you've never even owned an Apollo 1260. On the other hand, Jens' comments are fully respectable considering his background and expertise. The fact is all those old accelerators had their compromises, you just decide what's most important for you and enjoy the experience.

So you make sweeping comments for all on amiga org?

And i have tended to treat your comments with the same level of disregard

[tone007]

I got a great deal on Apollo 1240 once, 25MHz and I overclocked it to 32Mhz.  I don't recall it being any less reliable than my Blizzard 1260.  I'd grab another.

Bought an ACA630 once, and it didn't work on one of my A600s.

Hard to get 100% success with 20+ year old hardware.

[Damion]

So you make sweeping comments for all on amiga org?

No, the only person I was talking to was you. You haven't any experience whatsoever with the hardware in the topic. Yet, you feel confident enough to jump in here and smugly parrot someone who is an actual respectable expert (Jens), to the annoyance of people that likely have owned a dozen or more accelerators over the years. Cyberstorms, Blizzards, Apollos, you name it. Can you say toolbag.

And i have tended to treat your comments with the same level of disregard

LOL, I could really care less.

[Snoozy]

No, the only person I was talking to was you. You haven't any experience whatsoever with the hardware in the topic. Yet, you feel confident enough to jump in here and smugly parrot someone who is an actual respectable expert (Jens), to the annoyance of people that likely have owned a dozen or more accelerators over the years. Cyberstorms, Blizzards, Apollos, you name it. Can you say toolbag.



LOL, I could really care less.

(yawn) Another dimwit out of reach of the facts.

And of course i'm going to comment on ACA cards since i own one (and a blizzard)

[Damion]

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[paul1981]

What's the point of scraping by on an (overheating) apollo card which is about to give up its magic smoke.

If anyone is "scraping by", then that would be you with your ACA.
I own a Blizzard1260 and it's slow, it runs as hot as an 040, and I keep it as a backup card incase my Apollo1260 dies.

Also Apollo cards are usually the cheapest of all -£ for hz - (and lose more % value  more than any other card)

I have to disagree here. Any 040/060 card is highly sought after and fetches good money. If you had one you wouldn't want to sell it anyway.

Purchasing (or defending) apollo cards is pretty much a lost cause and my support is to ACA and Jens

Why wouldn't I want to defend my Apollo? It's given me nothing but flawless performance for many years. I've never had any issues of stability or incompatibilty whatsoever. I believe half of the problems people have with any 040/060 cards are down to incorrect CPU library files and incompatible libraries....so basically just dumb users. Those types tend to stick to 030's.

[NovaCoder]

This is all getting kind of off topic but....

I was after a Blizzard 1260 but had to settle for an Apollo instead.

So far it's 100% stable and also fast and compatible (even seems to work with WHDLOAD games/demos without any config changes).

BOOM
The Dig
Quake

[AmiDude]

Yes the best thing about the apollo cards is the cpu on them; as Individual Computers have documented the rest of the card is based on design error and functions on the basis of luck and possible compatibility with the mobo revision.

That's a lie! Individual Computers can make a "document" of anything, but that doesn't mean it's true. I've got 3 Apollo boards, and all are 100% functional and stable. And I'm not alone; there are many other happy Apollo owners.
Like I stated before: It's the ACA 1230/42 accelerator from Jens that causes problems with some A1200 motherboard revisions.
I think Jens bought the Apollo rights because he was scared that someone else would buy it. By doing so, he eliminated all potential competition. And the whole "unstable Apollo" story is one big lie!

[gertsy]

That's a lie! Individual Computers can make a "document" of anything, but that doesn't mean it's true. I've got 3 Apollo boards, and all are 100% functional and stable. And I'm not alone; there are many other happy Apollo owners.
Like I stated before: It's the ACA 1230/42 accelerator from Jens that causes problems with some A1200 motherboard revisions.
I think Jens bought the Apollo rights because he was scared that someone else would buy it. By doing so, he eliminated all potential competition. And the whole "unstable Apollo" story is one big lie!

Jens has done so much for Amiga.  It is possible someone might have scooped up the Apollo stuff for production, but unlikely, and if was opened up it would be doomed to fail.  The market is so small.  Regardless of the competition argument I am 100% confident Jens is best placed to have the opinon he does.  Right or wrong it's not a lie.  It's the opinon of an excellent electronics technician who produces the only regularly available new hardware for classic amigas.
The apollo horse is well and truly dead.  I have an opinion that 110 posts is enough flogging.

Err like over it already.

[AmiDude]

The apollo horse is well and truly dead.

On the contrary, the Apollo is still alive and kicking *ss!

[tone007]

Don't mess with Apollo!

[gertsy]

Don't mess with Apollo!

Yo Adrian, Wouldn't dare!
To be clear (If I wasn't) My comments weren't in regard to the existing hardware. They were all about the promise of resurection. I luv classic hardware. But I also understand that's what it is.

[AmiDude]

Don't mess with Apollo!

:roflmao: :laughing: :rofl:

[Snoozy]

hmmm a few scenes later and apollo was dead

[LaserBack]

yep the story about apollo boards are buggy and unstable is a big big lie
anyways if we have to compare between 030 accelerators the best one is still the blizzard 1230 mk4 ...and was designed 17 years ago
The new ACA 1230 boards are small and looks cheaper in my eyes...even the apollo 1230 series were better designed,they have a socket for fpu and have optional scsi
also I never heard of problems or stability issues on apollo 1230 cards,however the apollo 1240 and 1260 sometimes are a bit problematic

[jsixis]

Apollo boards are junk