X1000 benchmarks

[krashan]

Tell me, are there any 68k libraries in regular use on OS4 or MorphOS that don't have native equivalents?

As a programmer of DigiBooster 3 I often deal with music modules packed with XPK SQSH or SMPL compressor. There are no MorphOS native (or AmigaOS 4 native AFAIK) versions of them. M68k versions work without any problems.

Another example is ARexx. AmigaOS 4 uses (and MorphOS can use) M68k interpreter.

In fact the opposite possibility is much more interesting. Legacy M68k apps can use native PowerPC libraries, which make them faster and enhance functionality. For example M68k apps use native ASL requesters, which are much more powerful and comfortable compared to AmigaOS 3.x ones.

[commodorejohn]

That's true too. I've mostly adopted a "wait and see" approach to this whole thing. Some people have assumed the PA6T is necessarily a G5 slayer and thus ready to stomp all other PPC machines, without considering that the PA6T was designed for a different market. Where it probably will smash the G5 is in performance per watt, but all considered, that's not saying much.

I've never done any testing of this myself, but it looks from benchmarks I've seen like the G5 isn't actually much of an improvement in terms of performance-per-clock - more just that it broke out of the 2GHz barrier Motorola couldn't get the G4 past.

One thing that has come out of this, at least for me, is the realisation that the old PPC machines perhaps aren't quite as slothful for everyday use as many assume. At least if the lame benchmarks were any indication of single core performance.

They really aren't. Memory throughput and disk access can be a limiting factor, depending on the machine, but overall (Flash/fullscreen HD video excepted) they're surprisingly capable. TenFourFox on a 1.25GHz G4 runs noticeably better than the equivalent Firefox version on my 1.6GHz Eee, f'rexample.

The industry just keeps us buying the you-need-more-horsepower myth, that's what I say...

[HenryCase]

@itix
Well, at least you gave it a go. Thank you for that.

@Krashan
Thanks for the info.

[Thorham]

The industry just keeps us buying the you-need-more-horsepower myth, that's what I say...

Indeed, even though you do need a lot of power for a lot of the crapware out there. I'll keep using my 667 mhz Pentium 3.

[runequester]

I realised that the computer I have now (dual core 2.x ghz) will pretty much be fine until it finally breaks down, and have to replaced through physical wear.

Given Im on linux, there's not much in the way of new games (lots of indies though), so keeping up with the race is basically pointless. Will 2 more cores help libreoffice open 0.3 seconds faster?

[Iggy]

JIT is not so relevant anymore when you have got 1GHz+ speeds.

I can't say that I agree with that.
Anything that helps performance is useful.

[Faerytale]

Speed of the x1000 was a real dissapointment! Im happy i bought 60Euro Mac mini yesterday.

[Iggy]

Speed of the x1000 was a real dissapointment! Im happy i bought 60Euro Mac mini yesterday.

60 Euros? Wow!
Most European Mac hardware is priced higher then it is in the US.
You got a bargain.

[Karlos]

I can't say that I agree with that.
Anything that helps performance is useful.

I think what he meant was that even interpretive emulation on 1+ GHz class machines is usually more than capable of running 68K code faster than any real 68K used in an Amiga. However, JIT is always nice to have regardless and becomes essential on slower host systems. I don't think 68K emulation on OS4.1 classic would be much fun on my 603 sans JIT.

[Iggy]

I think what he meant was that even interpretive emulation on 1+ GHz class machines is usually more than capable of running 68K code faster than any real 68K used in an Amiga. However, JIT is always nice to have regardless and becomes essential on slower host systems. I don't think 68K emulation on OS4.1 classic would be much fun on my 603 sans JIT.

Thanks Karlos,
I guess I misinterpreted that statement.

[paolone]

@itix

Thanks for trying AROS again and for reporting problems, however, as I've already told you on AROS-EXEC, you may have missed some important points:

1. patch 01, 03 and 04 for Icaros Desktop 1.3.3 fix most Wanderer problems and make it a completely different beast than 'bare' 1.3.3. You'd install them using LiveUpdater.

2. patch 03 adds AROS M68K Kickstart support to AmiBridge, so it's now possible to play Amiga games and demos on adf files without any Amiga ROM from Commodore, Cloanto, Hyperion or whatever

3. sysmon doesn't work on virtual machines. It shouldn't crash however, but just return weird results. This might be fixed with one of the patches. sysmon works well on physical processors

4. bring to front is a commodity you can enable by default just moving it to WBStartup folder, like on AOS 3.1

5. Please use the Icaros manual to see what you can actually do with Icaros Desktop. Like any other operating system, it hides many little big secrets you might learn to love.

...and, above all...

6. look for supported hardware, and make a Icaros PC with sound, network and 3D acceleration. You'd be surprised how Gallium3D works nice with modern game ports (shaders let you see 3D games like Cube 2, MegaGlest and so, like no other Amigoid system can show you).

[Piru]

I just ran into this statement on aw.net:

I won't post any more x1000 benchmarks, OS4.1.5 is not optimized for speed yet on the x1000. Its very stable & thats whats important for the moment. Benchmarks are interesting, but some ppl abuse the results by comparing it to other systems. I won't add fuel to the red/blue war."

- sundown

Well, okay... (Though the same argument has been used about AmigaOS 4 on Pegasos2 for years now... without much change)

How about someone installs linux, disables the 2nd core (as root: echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online) and runs the the same benchmarks (lame, blender, mplayer). Then at least we could see if the problem really is in AmigaOS 4.1.5 as is claimed.

[Rodomoc]

How about someone installs linux, disables the 2nd core (as root: echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online) and runs the the same benchmarks (lame, blender, mplayer). Then at least we could see if the problem really is in AmigaOS 4.1.5 as is claimed.

Now there is a dandy idea. :lol:

[klx300r]

I just ran into this statement on aw.net:

- sundown

Well, okay... (Though the same argument has been used about AmigaOS 4 on Pegasos2 for years now... without much change)

How about someone installs linux, disables the 2nd core (as root: echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online) and runs the the same benchmarks (lame, blender, mplayer). Then at least we could see if the problem really is in AmigaOS 4.1.5 as is claimed.

or, as MOS supporters (and at least one very anxious dev) are so eager to test the X1000 here, why not make a MOS port for the X1000 with duo core support please and thank you

[Tripitaka]

or, as MOS supporters (and at least one very anxious dev) are so eager to test the X1000 here, why not make a MOS port for the X1000 with duo core support please and thank you

Great idea.

[Iggy]

or, as MOS supporters (and at least one very anxious dev) are so eager to test the X1000 here, why not make a MOS port for the X1000 with duo core support please and thank you

The Quark kernel supposedly could work on a multi-core system, but Abox doesn't support SMP.

Besides, I'm pretty sure if you ask Piru he'll tell you that a port for the X1000 ain't happening.