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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #104 from previous page: October 21, 2011, 07:22:29 PM »
IMHO, a price like that is justified only if the computer is capable of doing something truly special.  Is that the case here?
 

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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2011, 07:26:04 PM »
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Bullcrap.



Oh, I see, you didn't mean common industry practice, you meant common industry failure. (Sorry, MorphOS.)


It might be bullcrap but that's the way it is.  I don't necessarily agree with it.

Software development is *never* complete, it's an on-going evolving process.  At a certain point you have to make the decision to ship something - fully completed or not.   As a business you eventually have to sell *something* to make some return on your investment.  If every company held out until everything was completely done then many companies probably wouldn't make it, or they would go deeper into debt and dig themselves into a hole that would be very difficult to get out of.

BTW, this is the same for hardware as it is software.  Ever seen an errata list for CPU's?  It's a nightmare.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2011, 07:40:08 PM »
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IMHO, a price like that is justified only if the computer is capable of doing something truly special. Is that the case here?

Oddly, no.
It should be faster then a system from Acube, but that hardly justifies this much of a premium.
 
Should MorphOS ever be ported to the Mac G5, comparison benchmarks would make this investment look appallingly foolish.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2011, 07:52:51 PM »
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Well  no one is forcing you to buy it.
"Nobody's making you buy it": the go-to argument when there's absolutely no other defense for a product. Of course nobody's making me buy it, but that doesn't make it not comically expensive, even by PPC standards.

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As for the motherboard being separate vs. a complete system, that is a business decision made by A-EON.  This is no different than ordering anything else online, except that this is a probably a fairly heavy package, thus probably higher shipping cost.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly the point? People would like to have the option to buy the board so that they don't have to shell out for international shipping for a complete mini-tower system (on top of the already high cost.) Of course A-EON has the prerogative to decide whether they're going to offer that, but it doesn't make them not unreasonable if they decide not to.

"That is a business decision made by A-EON" is exactly like "no one is forcing you to buy it": a statement of the blindingly obvious as though it's somehow a refutation of all criticism. Yes, duh, of course A-EON is within their rights to make the decisions they have - but simply because you have the right to do something doesn't (and never will) make it necessarily a good decision.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2011, 07:53:19 PM »
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Oddly, no.
It should be faster then a system from Acube, but that hardly justifies this much of a premium.
 
Should MorphOS ever be ported to the Mac G5, comparison benchmarks would make this investment look appallingly foolish.


I think it would make more sense to compare it with another AmigaOS 4.1 machine, and not a system running a different operating system.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2011, 08:03:15 PM »
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I think it would make more sense to compare it with another AmigaOS 4.1 machine, and not a system running a different operating system.
Maybe you do, but $10 says my G5 will smoke an X1000 on any benchmark (except perhaps 3D acceleration) - and I got it for 1/5th to 1/6th the cost of this "limited edition."
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2011, 08:07:28 PM »
Price is justified IF somebody is willing to buy it and it seems so.

Ofcourse we all hope that there would be cheaper hardware, but it doesn't seems to be likely?

Funny thing is that most of people who are crying price here wouldn't buy this, even if price would be 100€
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2011, 08:10:22 PM »
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Maybe you do, but $10 says my G5 will smoke an X1000 on any benchmark (except perhaps 3D acceleration) - and I got it for 1/5th to 1/6th the cost of this "limited edition."


If my requirement of a system is to run OS4, then your cheapo G5 will be absolutely useless to me, and ths a complete 100% waste of money. Regardless of clock rates, number of cores, or whatever, the X1000 will smoke your G5 on all OS4 benchmarks. Yea, X1000 is more expensive, but at least I CAN use it for what I want to do.

(do understand that I'd very much prefer an L1000 (L for Laptop) and that I'd love to have OS4 on my iBook. That's not possible. Nore is OS4 on your G5 possible, for much the same reason.)
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #112 on: October 21, 2011, 08:13:34 PM »
Does the driver less hardware work under linux ? Im not in the market for a 3000 dollar computer, but Im kinda curious if its just OS4 limitations.
 

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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #113 on: October 21, 2011, 08:15:07 PM »
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Because the enemy got there first. Simple as that.


Hyperion was against porting to Mac PPC hardware LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG before MorphOS was on PPC Macs. The reason they gave publically was the absence of datasheets, register definitions, etc. to the public (ie. outside of Apple themselves) for some chips in Apple hardware. (ie. Apple designed northbridges and such)
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #114 on: October 21, 2011, 08:15:58 PM »
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If my requirement of a system is to run OS4, then your cheapo G5 will be absolutely useless to me, and ths a complete 100% waste of money. Regardless of clock rates, number of cores, or whatever, the X1000 will smoke your G5 on all OS4 benchmarks. Yea, X1000 is more expensive, but at least I CAN use it for what I want to do.
 
(do understand that I'd very much prefer an L1000 (L for Laptop) and that I'd love to have OS4 on my iBook. That's not possible. Nore is OS4 on your G5 possible, for much the same reason.)

You're absolutely right Bill.
But by the end of this year I will have MorphOS running on a Powerbook.
And, while it might benchmark slightly slower, it will also cost a small fraction of what an X1000 will cost.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #115 on: October 21, 2011, 08:20:07 PM »
And if you ran linux on that powerbook, it'd actually have wireless internet.

Why bother with the dick waving guys ?
 

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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #116 on: October 21, 2011, 08:34:24 PM »
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And if you ran linux on that powerbook, it'd actually have wireless internet.
 
Why bother with the dick waving guys ?

True. And Linux also supports other hardware (G5s, multiple processors, better video).
I'm running Ubuntu on my Quicksilver right now (and it can support the R300 and R400 video cards I've got fully).
 
But we're talking Amigoid OS' right now. And there is a beta driver for some wireless cards that is being bandied about.
 
Personally, I stll use wired connections on all my PCs because its faster.
 
And I sure don't want to get in a "dick waving" contest. Personally, I'd consider AOS4 if the hardware was slightly more reasonable.
 
Right now, the only NG OS' that work on affordable hardware are MorphOS and AROS.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #117 on: October 21, 2011, 08:38:23 PM »
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If my requirement of a system is to run OS4, then your cheapo G5 will be absolutely useless to me.

(do understand that I'd very much prefer an L1000 (L for Laptop) and that I'd love to have OS4 on my iBook. That's not possible. Nore is OS4 on your G5 possible, for much the same reason.)
And whose fault is that? I'll give you a hint, it starts with H and rhymes with "Tiberian."

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Hyperion was against porting to Mac PPC hardware  LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG before MorphOS was on PPC Macs. The reason they  gave publically was the absence of datasheets, register definitions,  etc. to the public (ie. outside of Apple themselves) for some chips in  Apple hardware. (ie. Apple designed northbridges and such)
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And now that crap is all defined well enough that I'm sitting here running Debian happy as a clam on a Power Mac G5, and there's still no OS4 for PPC Macs.

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Funny thing is that most of people who are crying  price here wouldn't buy this, even if price would be 100€
If this thing cost 100EUR, I'd absolutely buy it. But it doesn't, and I won't.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #118 on: October 21, 2011, 08:43:53 PM »
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And whose fault is that? I'll give you a hint, it starts with H and rhymes with "Tiberian.".

Absolutely, Hyperion wants to help sell new hardware.
 
 
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And now that crap is all defined well enough that I'm sitting here running Debian happy as a clam on a Power Mac G5, and there's still no OS4 for PPC Macs..".

And Macs are defined enough to port Linux to, so there is enough documentation.
 
 
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If this thing cost 100EUR, I'd absolutely buy it. But it doesn't, and I won't.

I'd pay more then that, but almost $2700? No way.
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Re: First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
« Reply #119 on: October 21, 2011, 09:20:15 PM »
Imagine if all OS4 software was custom written for a machine like this and could run on no other! OS4 users would be up a creek without a paddle, especially since this is the only "Amiga" with that progrmmable CPU thing.

I was excited, and was hoping the price was going to fall around $1,300.

That's the highest amount I'm willing to spend on a next gen "Amiga" that lacks the old custom chips.
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