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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2011, 04:17:40 PM »
I haven't paid a dime for any updates with OS4.  I can decommission any Windows license easily between hardware, locking out the previous hardware.  I am not trying to be a dickhead, I want answers.  One guy from the MOS camp said "it may be possible if you can prove your mac died in a fire", the others say "no", or simply won't respond.  I'm not trying to screw anyone, I want to pay for a product I like!

Again, the problem being is I have a nice Mac Mini sitting here I would love to register MOS on for the interim, but I know I will end up wanting MOS regged on a more powerful system not long after.  I should be able to decommission said Mini so it simply cannot run said regged MOS again and transfer the license, even if it's on my dime.  For you barking about "piracy", it's locked to hardware keys in some form I assume.  I am not asking for a VLK key or site license deals, lol.  I am asking if ownership of said key be moved to different hardware, and unless they do things in a completely insane way as far as common sense hardware lock-ins go, all I see is a cash grab and inconvenience.

I have no intentions of regging an operating system 4 times over and only using 1 machine, sorry.  The licensing terms are draconian at best and I can't seem to get an answer out of anyone.

I have no interest in buying it now and selling it (MOS) along with the hardware I still want to keep around running Linux.
 

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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2011, 04:32:56 PM »
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Those who bought MorphOS license now.

Let me get this right.  You believe that all those who have paid for a MOS license would pirate it if you didn't tie each registration to a single machine?

You've just called all your customers thieves.

Classy.
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2011, 04:58:00 PM »
Being myself (like many others) a former Amiga game pirate and now a registered MorphOS user, I think itix might have a genuine reason not to trust "me"... ;)
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2011, 04:58:46 PM »
The license situation doesn't bother me. It's tied to the machine so if you want to upgrade to new hardware just sell the old machine with the license and get another one. It won't be hard to sell. It's my understanding that if your machine breaks they'll give you a new license file. Also, I can't imagine why I'd want MorphOS on every mac in the house. One is enough for me.
 

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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2011, 05:33:15 PM »
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Let me get this right.  You believe that all those who have paid for a MOS license would pirate it if you didn't tie each registration to a single machine?

You've just called all your customers thieves.

Classy.


No, I dont belive that all those who have paid for MOS license would pirate it.

I am sorry if I offended you.
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2011, 06:03:31 PM »
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I haven't paid a dime for any updates with OS4.  I can decommission any Windows license easily between hardware, locking out the previous hardware.  I am not trying to be a dickhead, I want answers.  One guy from the MOS camp said "it may be possible if you can prove your mac died in a fire", the others say "no", or simply won't respond.  I'm not trying to screw anyone, I want to pay for a product I like!


Weren't 4.0, 4.1 and isn't 4.2 paid updates? And can you transfer your OS4 bought for AmigaOne for Pegasos2 use for example?

And what would be a good way to lock out the previous hardware? Any need for online interaction when installing is absolutely no-no. With this kind of small business you can't trust there will be services available "forever". Blacklisting machines in next updates won't stop machine being used with current and earlier versions and might need too much work to kept updated... but I guess that would be only reasonable option...

Anyway, if your previous machine breaks down, it's known that keyfile can be transferred to next machine.

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Again, the problem being is I have a nice Mac Mini sitting here I would love to register MOS on for the interim, but I know I will end up wanting MOS regged on a more powerful system not long after.


If it has 64M vmem and you're not interested about PowerBooks, I'd say go for it, register and enjoy :) Or get the PowerMac G4 you know will be powerful enough and register for it. But if you're waiting some other new powerful system like G5 macs, it's not going to happen in that "not long after" time for sure. You know your options for next couple of years and I think it should be enough to make a decision to reg the system you like now.
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2011, 07:08:31 PM »
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Download AROS for free and enjoy it for what it is. Mind you, all your classic Amiga experiences will have to be emulated, and I can assure you that UAE is no where near as fast as Amithlon, especially when it comes to the non WinUAE variants. So basically you will find your self not running classic Amiga software so much as you will be running new software written/ported over for AROS use.

I LOVE AROS, but it's not in the same league as MorphOS which actually allows you to run a large sum of the classic library without the need of emulation. Likewise MorphOS is so far advanced at this point that it is going to take all other Amiga clones a while to catch up with it and by that time MorphOS will be more advanced still!!!


Well the x86 CPU speed is faster and cheaper than Apple G4 PPC hardware. I can't see it being slow on a peanuts $99 AMD Athlon XP3900+ box surely?
 

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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2011, 07:22:20 PM »
I would assume locks to HW are done on unique chip identifiers like on other platforms, whether it be a MAC addy, CPU serial identifiers, BIOS, various firmwares, etc.  Not quite sure how MOS does it, to be fair.  Windows does it in a similar fashion where you generally must call MS to decommission a license, which I recently had to do on an old core 2 quad PC I repurposed from Vista to Linux.  Took 3 minutes on the phone to do.

AFAIK, there has not been any upgrade fee on the 4.x OS 4 updates, yet anyways.  I've not paid a dime thus far anyways, but my SAM came with 4.1 and the only updates have essentially been small "service packs" like u1, u2, u3 so far.  I would not have paid for any of the u1, u2, u3 packs if they were pay for, tbh - and likely won't pay for 4.2 if they decided to charge for that upgrade.  The OS is immature (OS4 - albeit fun), so justifying payment for what is essentially bugfixes is hard to warrant.

I fail to see the difference in a "broken down" machine and a decommissioned machine, I suppose, heh.  Either way, it's a Mac no longer using the software that was paid for.  What is the criteria in such a case?  Not sure what the developers would require as "proof" that a machine is no longer at all functional, and what would be preventing from an otherwise honest guy like me from simply saying "it's broken" and demanding a license transfer and putting said machine on a shelf, never to be used again with MOS or anything else.  Once said license was transferred it couldn't run regged MOS anyways, no different than a broken machine in the end.
 

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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2011, 07:29:09 PM »
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 Not every Amiga user is so honest than you are.

It's not a question of being honest (do you mean people pirating software aren't honest ? I'm afraid all Amiga users who pirated MacOS copies for their emulator are not honest then ;))

It's a question of being a die-hard fan. And you have to be a fan to buy a 170 euros licence for a hobby OS (by saying so I'm not saying huge work hasn't been done). And die hard fans will buy the OS, even though it could be pirated. So I don't think there would be any loss. The only lost is for "honest" people as you call them that have problems transferring licences,...
 

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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2011, 07:47:01 PM »
@warpdesing

It is a hobby OS but it never was 170 eur, just 150 eur =P (And currently it can get it at 111 eur...)

But indeed, who didnt have pirated MacOS copies?
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2011, 07:50:53 PM »
cool.   I just registered my version of MorphOS for my Mac Mini... waiting for 3.0 :)
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2011, 08:40:22 PM »
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No, I dont belive that all those who have paid for MOS license would pirate it..

That doesn't actually read a lot better, to be honest. Returning customers are trustworthy, but not potential new ones?

I don't yet own a machine capable of running MorphOS 2. Though I must admit I never much cared for the licensing model, I have absolutely no intention of "stealing" the OS if/when I do get one. IMHO, most of the users left in the amiga community that are remotely interested in "next gen" scene aren't likely to be the old game disk pirates of old. They all buggered off to the chipped console market years ago. What's left are genuine enthusiasts who I am willing to guess are mature adults with jobs.
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2011, 09:13:05 PM »
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That doesn't actually read a lot better, to be honest. Returning customers are trustworthy, but not potential new ones?

Does it say so? Well, lets try again:

I just think not everyone would buy MorphOS license if they were given a chance to use it without cost.

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IMHO, most of the users left in the amiga community that are remotely interested in "next gen" scene aren't likely to be the old game disk pirates of old.

You really think so? Road *cough* show *cough* *cough* 6 *cough* 8 *cough* k *cough*
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2011, 09:24:07 PM »
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most of the users left in the amiga community that are remotely interested in "next gen" scene aren't likely to be the old game disk pirates of old. They all buggered off to the chipped console market years ago. What's left are genuine enthusiasts who I am willing to guess are mature adults with jobs.

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3959467/AmigaOS_4.0_Final.lha
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4762112/Amigaos_4.1_for_SAM440EP

Of course these are pointless as the OS is only available for closed HW. You seriously think that if the OS would be available say for Mac HW this kind of thing wouldn't happen? Oh but it does, there's this warez version for Mac mini...

http://extratorrent.com/torrent/1430066/AmigaOS+4+0+Install+for+Mac+Mini+zip.html
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2011, 09:57:34 PM »
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Does it say so? Well, lets try again:

I just think not everyone would buy MorphOS license if they were given a chance to use it without cost.

Well, that certainly sounds less of a sweeping condemnation of new users, which was the bone of my contention.

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You seriously think that if the OS would be available say for Mac HW this kind of thing wouldn't happen?

It would but frankly I don't really know much of a difference it would actually make. You'll always get people that believe it's a crime to pay for anything, but the amiga scene is so small these days that it seems only real hardcore fans would remain and of those, an even smaller minority of people are OS4/MOS users.

Maybe I'm wrong about that.
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Re: Next MorphOS version: 3.0! (Not 2.8)
« Reply #59 from previous page: October 24, 2011, 11:49:08 PM »
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IMHO, most of the users left in the amiga community that are remotely interested in "next gen" scene aren't likely to be the old game disk pirates of old. They all buggered off to the chipped console market years ago. What's left are genuine enthusiasts who I am willing to guess are mature adults with jobs.


the last sentence applies to me..but the pirate part does also.. lol.
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