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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2011, 03:04:31 AM »
Hey guys! So what's this thread about then?
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2011, 03:06:34 AM »
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Hey guys! So what's this thread about then?


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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2011, 03:11:42 AM »
Intergalactic sausages and ice cream! :)

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2011, 03:52:08 AM »
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:eek: Feck me... you bugger... :eek:

Oooh... think I'm having a stoke... cobblers ferrellsl actualy agreed with me on something... aaaarggghhh... shock... too... much... to... handle...

Oh, oh... me tickers just stopped... thud. .  .   .

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PS: I'll give it 5 before the mods step in and have us all shot... ;)


Hey, I actually agree with you on more issues than not.  My only complaint with you is the amiga.com bashing, but you've been pretty quiet in that respect lately.  And no, I don't like amiga.com any more than you do but the flogging of the deceased equine was getting old!  Just tired of hearing/reading about it. LOL
 

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2011, 03:59:38 AM »
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Hey, I actually agree with you on more issues than not.  My only complaint with you is the amiga.com bashing, but you've been pretty quiet in that respect lately.  And no, I don't like amiga.com any more than you do but the flogging of the deceased equine was getting old!  Just tired of hearing/reading about it. LOL


Sorry. you've got me lost !!!

Who's "Amiga.com" do you mean Amiga Inc :confused:

If so then I've only ever bashed them for not responding to my request to purchase a distribution licence for the Workbench disks... :(

I really don't have any complaint against them other than that as I've never actually purchased anything from them or been involved with them in any way... :)
 

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2011, 04:01:31 AM »
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erm .... hey Mr Smart .. he was joking "toward" realize!


Eh?

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2011, 04:03:13 AM »
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Sorry. you've got me lost !!!

Who's "Amiga.com" do you mean Amiga Inc :confused:

If so then I've only ever bashed them for not responding to my request to purchase a distribution licence for the Workbench disks... :(

I really don't have any complaint against them other than that as I've never actually purchased anything from them or been involved with them in any way... :)


Yep, same bunch of losers.
 

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2011, 04:45:00 AM »
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Yep, same bunch of losers.


Even more confused now !!!

If their a bunch of losers then why complain if I bash em... :confused:

Methinks I'd better switch me braincell off as it's working overtime now trying to figure this one out... :)
 

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2011, 06:22:48 AM »
people keep referring to it as bashing, but it seems fair criticism if a system seems to boot slowly (and to question it/and why). And it does seem an odd move to release such a low quality out of focus video for a product that has so much hype etc. (and so much time/money put into it). I'm not going to start saying stuff is great just because it is related to the Amiga platform.
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2011, 06:42:27 AM »
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I only saw videos of it running, not booting. I can imagine that booting spits out a lot more debug than once you're into normal operation.

Or is it just that KPrintF() wont return until the very last byte is transmitted to the serial port?

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Also, I don't recall clearly, but wasn't that a different (earlier) board revision at VCF?

Would it make any difference? Proto boards are always different to zero production boards but specs are not changing (or should not change) much.
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2011, 07:17:21 AM »
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people keep referring to it as bashing, but it seems fair criticism if a system seems to boot slowly (and to question it/and why). And it does seem an odd move to release such a low quality out of focus video for a product that has so much hype etc. (and so much time/money put into it). I'm not going to start saying stuff is great just because it is related to the Amiga platform.

Agree regarding how the video only essentially gave people nits to pick about the machine.  At the very least, it would have taken 2 minutes to add a text disclaimer "slow booting due to debug code" or similar.  I would expect it to boot up just as quick as my SAM does once it's released.  Or simply release such a video when it actually boots to OS in seconds rather than essentially minutes, lol.

The X1000 is about $1500 from what I'd ever pay for another OS4 PC, and quite frankly won't do a darned thing more than my lowly SAM 440ep does right now.  Software for OS4 is the issue, not hardware.  A multi megahertz X1000 won't let me view modern web content any quicker than my SAM, the browser to do so is simply non existant to get that job done.

I'm far from a OS4 fanboy, but any machine will absolutely crawl during power on if it has 9001 things to check on during boot debug mode.
The video wasn't an encouraging thing to view for a product people are already highly skeptical of and shouldn't have been released in the form it was, tbh.  Sure, it's proof the HW actually exists and runs, but sure leaves a sour taste in most peoples' mouths.  Even for guys like myself that know first hand how fast a NG "Amiga" whether it be OS4 or MorphOS can actually power up, it's a terrible demonstration.
 

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2011, 08:51:45 AM »
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people keep referring to it as bashing, but it seems fair criticism if a system seems to boot slowly (and to question it/and why).


I can see that some non-technical people may not understand the development cycle and may genuinely believe that.  Some people in this thread I'm sure DO know it, and realise that what they are saying is a nugget of purest FUD.

Remember, this is a beta test system.
It will have serial debug output, probably at 9600 baud.
It could easily be tracking every single call to every single library, and dumping the text at that speed, which could take about 6mS.

That means after just 1000 calls, you'd have a 6 second delay.

Now tell me again how that is at all indicative of the final non-debug speed of the system, please!
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2011, 09:00:28 AM »
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Even for guys like myself that know first hand how fast a NG "Amiga" whether it be OS4 or MorphOS can actually power up, it's a terrible demonstration.




Don't forget, who the video is aimed at, though.  It's aimed purely at developers and they can see the importance of what is in the video without worrying about boot times and stuff. If this was to entice new users I'd agree but they know what they're doing here - this video won't scare off any of their target market at all.

The rest of your post I know what you mean though!
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2011, 09:00:41 AM »
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Here we go again the mighty know all once again speculation and conjecturing about me and wrong as usual... :roflmao:

You must really fancy me or something... big kiss to magnetic my secret admirer... :o


No I just cant stand your lies and bull****. Please tell us what your most modern computer  and os is?? What is it again Tiger on an imac?

YOU HAVE NEVER OWNED AN NG SYSTEM NOR CAN AFFORD AN NG SYSTEM SO STFU ABOUT NG IN GENERAL.

And DO NOT speak for the amiga community, you are a poor representative.
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2011, 09:02:00 AM »
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I can see that some non-technical people may not understand the development cycle and may genuinely believe that.  Some people in this thread I'm sure DO know it, and realise that what they are saying is a nugget of purest FUD.



Spirantho, you are half right. As far as the non techies you have a point. As far as the developers that are posting, these people dont spread FUD they spread TRUTH. Its their opinion.
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3
« Reply #89 from previous page: August 29, 2011, 09:04:17 AM »
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Agree regarding how the video only essentially gave people nits to pick about the machine.  At the very least, it would have taken 2 minutes to add a text disclaimer "slow booting due to debug code" or similar.  I would expect it to boot up just as quick as my SAM does once it's released.  Or simply release such a video when it actually boots to OS in seconds rather than essentially minutes, lol.
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Well I do agree with you somewhat as far as the vid being "bad"  There are some factors


1. This guy posting this is a tech for Amikit. Just for him to take the time to get the cam going and digitize the footage, edit it and post it up is a plus. I'm sure the guy is crazy busy.

2. It was not an attempt at a promo vid, just to show it working.

3. Hyperion or their partner should have already had a pro video out about this system. Especially after all that silly "What is X" hype.


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  Chris apologized for the quality, but he only had time to run off a quick video in between setting up and testing Nemo 2.1 motherboards. He has promised to produce another video showing AmigaOS4 running various demos when he has more time.
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