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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #104 from previous page: August 14, 2011, 12:50:32 AM »
Yep, a Natami demo contest is in order! :)
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #105 on: August 14, 2011, 01:00:55 AM »
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Yep, a Natami demo contest is in order! :)


Erm... slight problem... how we gonna write demos to take advantage of it's features until we own one... :confused:

Could use our imaginations I suppose, anyone got a spare imagination I could borrow for a few days, I'll give it back (washed & folded of course) honest... :)
 

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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #106 on: August 14, 2011, 01:11:15 AM »
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Let me guess... erm Quake 2 by any chance... :rolleyes:


No flies on you, eh.

Like it or not, the main draw of the NatAmi is SuperAGA (that's what sets it apart from the FPGAArcade). Reading through posts on natami.net, the impression I get is that the graphics side of the chipset is where most of the improvements are being made at the moment. To help sell the NatAmi it makes sense to showcase the area where it offers the biggest improvement over the competition, do we at least agree on that?

From what I remember of your previous posts, you didn't/don't use your Amigas much for gaming. Nothing wrong with that, we're all free to use our computers how we wish, but I do wonder whether part of your assertion that I have a 'teenage boy racer mentality' comes out of this.

My concern is with showing NatAmi off, to generate more interest. It doesn't have to be competing with cutting edge devices, but it does have to be interesting, and when I say interesting I mean in a 'I never expected a retro machine to be able to do that' kind of way.

Your suggestions were a web browser and a paint program. Amigas already had great paint programs, plus to make the most impact you'd have to find talented artists to produce work using it, and that art needs to be noticeably better than the great work already produced on Amigas. How do you intend to make that difference noticeable? More colours?

As for the web browser suggestion, let's say we're looking at a faster, native port of Netsurf, which is probably the best option. Take a look at this screenshot of the native RiscOS version, and tell me honestly, are you interested in buying the machine it runs on?:


Don't get me wrong, a web browser is definitely going to be a useful tool in getting people to buy, but it doesn't push the machine to the limit in a way that's truly going to grab people's attention. It's an essential, not something special.

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With the estimated price a NatAmi is going to cost how many folk who are really willing to pay that price are going to do so just to play a 3D style game that they could do so better on a higher powered and cheaper PC or games console...


The idea is not that they'll buy a NatAmi to play an old game, but rather that it'll inspire them, knowing how much power they've got their hands on, to do great things with the machine. Think about when you first saw what the Amiga could do, the focus wasn't on mundane applications like spreadsheet and word processing software, it was on the power of the machine; the graphics, the sound, the fast multitasking, etc...

Believe it or not, I'm not tied to one game, and I'm trying to encourage some creative ideas, but they have to meet the criteria, and the only criteria is that the software must push what the machine can do in a noticeably impressive way. Think about if NatAmi got some magazine coverage, what would you want the screenshots to show?
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #107 on: August 14, 2011, 01:18:34 AM »
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Erm... slight problem... how we gonna write demos to take advantage of it's features until we own one... :confused:


Exactly! I already stated this option and dismissed it for the same reason. However, once the machine is properly released I have big hopes it'll get used in demo competitions.
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #108 on: August 14, 2011, 01:18:42 AM »
Alright, we we find one of the best demo coders in the scene and offer him a beta board if he'll code for it.
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #109 on: August 14, 2011, 01:24:39 AM »
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Alright, we we find one of the best demo coders in the scene and offer him a beta board if he'll code for it.


The NatAmi is still work in progress, they'd have to wait until it was finished before releasing a hardware-banging demo, otherwise the smallest change in functionality could break it.
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #110 on: August 14, 2011, 01:26:28 AM »
Well that settles it then. We need a time machine.
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #111 on: August 14, 2011, 01:31:31 AM »
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I have big hopes it'll get used in demo competitions.

I find that unlikely. It couldn't compete with classic amigas since it'd be unfair. So the only category would be some "wild demo" or so. Also, more than often demo coders want to release their demos for platforms that are widely available.

At least one high profile & active amiga scener has already voiced his disinterest.
 

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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #112 on: August 14, 2011, 01:32:42 AM »
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Well that settles it then. We need a time machine.
I thought we settled this already??
I picked you guys up in my time machine, we "won" those lotteries..
Then took all the money and bought Commodore, Hyperion, etc... (Man, those lawyers were going crazy...)
Then we got Dave Haynie to head up the Natami acquisition and finished it up..
Funny that about those "patents" that we discovered that invalidated both the Apple and MS stuff, and we cornered the market..
Man that was awesome...
And then we..
wait..

what year is this??

Dangit..

nevermind..

TTYL..   (Not too much later tho..)

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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #113 on: August 14, 2011, 01:37:28 AM »
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No flies on you, eh.


There are but the squirrels pick them off and eat them for me... ;)

To cut quickly through all that you wrote there, I'll just answer quickly... :)

For the "boy racer mentality" re-read your previous posts... :)

Yup games on the Amiga never were a big part of it for me (can only say the one game that really impressed me back in the day was "The Feary Tale Adventure"... :)

You claim you'd need to find a great artist to demonstrate a new paint package, well that shouldn't be hard to do with the talent the Amiga Community has, so who's the great programmer your going to have to find to make this super duper version of Quake 2 then... ;)

Thing is your talking about having something for the launch date that will push and demonstrate the machines boundaries, how do you achieve that when only a limited number of people have access to the machines before they launch !!!

As for the magazine coverage (what magazines !!!) but if their was some, I would be looking more for an independent review of the machine, covering it's specs and a thorough testing by the reviewer/s and wouldn't be impressed by just some screenshots of a 3D style game or any screenshots for that matter, pretty GFX alone don't impress me, backwards compatibility and an honest review of the potential of the machine is what I look for... :)

Of course no matter what any of us have to say or what our opinions of it are at this moment in time really mean nothing until they day we can each get our grubby little mits on one and see what it can do for ourselves and hopefully inspire folk (myself included) to start writing new Amiga stuff to take advantage of it's basic speeds and new capabilities... :)
 

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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #114 on: August 14, 2011, 01:52:57 AM »
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I find that unlikely. It couldn't compete with classic amigas since it'd be unfair. So the only category would be some "wild demo" or so. Also, more than often demo coders want to release their demos for platforms that are widely available.


Sure, you wouldn't compete them directly against other Amigas, and the first demos for it probably would end up in the "wild" category, but hopefully it could develop into its own category. I'd say many people still look at the years when Amiga was at its peak as the golden age for demo coding, this nostalgia plus the chance to expand on an existing skillset should (hopefully) prove compelling to some in the demoscene. It's not guaranteed, but it's not out of the question either.

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At least one high profile & active amiga scener has already voiced his disinterest.

That's just one person though, it's hardly indicative of a trend.
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #115 on: August 14, 2011, 02:03:29 AM »
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For the "boy racer mentality" re-read your previous posts...


Sorry, I can't see what you're referring to, please point out examples of what you mean.

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so who's the great programmer your going to have to find to make this super duper version of Quake 2 then...


That's the good part, you wouldn't have to, it's already ported to 68K, at most you'd need a Warp3D driver for the NatAmi, but seeing as they're aiming for 100% compatibility that's already part of the plan, right. ;-)

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Thing is your talking about having something for the launch date that will push and demonstrate the machines boundaries, how do you achieve that when only a limited number of people have access to the machines before they launch !!!


You achieve it by having something easy to port.

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As for the magazine coverage (what magazines !!!)

Here's an example of a magazine that might be interested: http://www.retrogamer.net/

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pretty GFX alone don't impress me

But they impress others. It doesn't make them automatically wrong just because they have a different opinion, does it.

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Of course no matter what any of us have to say or what our opinions of it are at this moment in time really mean nothing until they day we can each get our grubby little mits on one and see what it can do for ourselves and hopefully inspire folk (myself included) to start writing new Amiga stuff to take advantage of it's basic speeds and new capabilities...


Probably the truest thing you've said today. I agree.
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #116 on: August 14, 2011, 02:04:20 AM »
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Sure, you wouldn't compete them directly against other Amigas, and the first demos for it probably would end up in the "wild" category, but hopefully it could develop into its own category. I'd say many people still look at the years when Amiga was at its peak as the golden age for demo coding, this nostalgia plus the chance to expand on an existing skillset should (hopefully) prove compelling to some in the demoscene. It's not guaranteed, but it's not out of the question either.


That's just one person though, it's hardly indicative of a trend.

Wow... I actually agree with you on those points :eek:

Think I'd better go lie down for a wee while... :)

Night... Night... or Morning... Morning in your case (I think)... :)

PS: I just noticed your other post and would respond but it's 2:05 am here and I'm going to have me dinner and go to bed, you could probably guess my replies anyway... ;)
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #117 on: August 14, 2011, 02:19:12 AM »
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Wow... I actually agree with you on those points :eek:

Think I'd better go lie down for a wee while... :)


A wise move. ; )

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Night... Night... or Morning... Morning in your case (I think)... :)


I live in England, so its night night, same to you!

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you could probably guess my replies anyway... ;)


Franko, predictable? Are you sure? I thought you were the mad hatter! ;-) Must try harder, don't let the sane ones drag you down to their level. ;-)
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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #118 on: August 14, 2011, 02:29:58 AM »
@ HenryCase

I thought you lived in upside down land !!!

I'm sure you post with an Australian accent... ;)

England you say... you could be making that up and I wouldn't know, prove it then, if you really live in England then what colour is it... :)

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Re: 3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!
« Reply #119 on: August 14, 2011, 02:48:01 AM »
Another thread invaded by the annoy frankos posts and hard to follow... where is the moderation in this f#ck#ng forum?

Go to see braveheart and relax franko.
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