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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2011, 06:23:06 AM »
@ XDelsuion

Marijuana may be classed as a herb but in most societies it used as a recreational drug not something for cooking or garnishing meals... ;)

Celebs and their self inflicted drug induced suicides are hardly something to feel sorry for or have sympathy with, or putting it down to the industry that they work in, is sorry mate but that's nothing but BS. The pampered & luxury life they lead in said industry can hardly compare to a soldier sent overseas to fight and see the horrors of war in a foreign land, that's what you call being in a strange world so far from home... ;)

The things firemen, police, armed forces personnel,  medical & healthcare workers and  all others in similar dangerous & caring but beneficial professions to our society have to see and do, is far worse than anything any poncy & pampered celebrity or sportstar will ever be exposed to, so for me there is no sympathy for such people other than the sadness of what is usually a waste of a young life through self inflicted substance abuse... :(

I don't smoke packs of cigarettes but roll my own with tobacco, which doesn't contain quite the amount of chemicals that packaged cigarettes do, but still doesn't do my body or health any good and yes I know all about what goes into tobacco and all the nasty effects it has on the person using it... ;)

I defence of tobacco over marijuana, I would say tobacco has never led me to dabble in other even more dangerous and illicit drugs unlike marijuana whom of all the people I know who smoke it for a good 75% of them it has led to them stronger drugs and killed quite a number of them over the past 20 odd years in my life... :(

As for me and my smoking, well apart from the fact I genuinely enjoy smoking, I have no worries about dying from cancer or other health related problems as short of an accident, murder or catching some unexpected fatal illness, I already KNOW what is going to end my life and so do my doctors and there is sod all anyone in the medical profession can do to prevent it. I have even been told by my neurosurgeon (he would only say it off the record, because of professional ethics) not to bother to give up smoking if I enjoy it so much, as like I say it aint gonna kill me... :)
 

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2011, 11:04:22 AM »
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@ XDelsuion

Marijuana may be classed as a herb but in most societies it used as a recreational drug not something for cooking or garnishing meals... ;)

Celebs and their self inflicted drug induced suicides are hardly something to feel sorry for or have sympathy with, or putting it down to the industry that they work in, is sorry mate but that's nothing but BS. The pampered & luxury life they lead in said industry can hardly compare to a soldier sent overseas to fight and see the horrors of war in a foreign land, that's what you call being in a strange world so far from home... ;)

The things firemen, police, armed forces personnel,  medical & healthcare workers and  all others in similar dangerous & caring but beneficial professions to our society have to see and do, is far worse than anything any poncy & pampered celebrity or sportstar will ever be exposed to, so for me there is no sympathy for such people other than the sadness of what is usually a waste of a young life through self inflicted substance abuse... :(

I don't smoke packs of cigarettes but roll my own with tobacco, which doesn't contain quite the amount of chemicals that packaged cigarettes do, but still doesn't do my body or health any good and yes I know all about what goes into tobacco and all the nasty effects it has on the person using it... ;)

I defence of tobacco over marijuana, I would say tobacco has never led me to dabble in other even more dangerous and illicit drugs unlike marijuana whom of all the people I know who smoke it for a good 75% of them it has led to them stronger drugs and killed quite a number of them over the past 20 odd years in my life... :(

As for me and my smoking, well apart from the fact I genuinely enjoy smoking, I have no worries about dying from cancer or other health related problems as short of an accident, murder or catching some unexpected fatal illness, I already KNOW what is going to end my life and so do my doctors and there is sod all anyone in the medical profession can do to prevent it. I have even been told by my neurosurgeon (he would only say it off the record, because of professional ethics) not to bother to give up smoking if I enjoy it so much, as like I say it aint gonna kill me... :)

Was this a joke or are you being serious?  :confused:

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2011, 11:25:40 AM »
Is the same history, when a star dies, always there are people that gains money with it, in Spain 5-6 year ago died other male singer that always he had take drugs, and his record company launched alls his records, goods and bads, the record comanies need this bad "girls&boys" to sell more and more, in life and especially in death, after of selling the new third record from Amy, we'll have a compilation, a new record with songs hides, etc., well we have saw this before with a singer called Michael Jackson, and the record companies as sharks, to get more and more money, without worrying that its stars take drugs and alchohol or commit suicide.
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2011, 01:53:18 PM »
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Was this a joke or are you being serious?  :confused:

PS if you die can i have your A1200T (kidding)?


Serious... I already made a thread about it way back last year somewhere in the coffee house... :)
 

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2011, 07:11:58 PM »
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A couple short examples...

I could really go into this subject deep, but alas I must head into work, so I'll let David Chappelle share with you his personal experiences a bit.

Also, this last video is from old school rapper Kool Keith.

He is well known to talk about the true world behind the curtain of fame. This song starts off with his usual silliness, but then by the middle takes a turn and exploits some Hollywood realities.

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2011, 08:42:58 PM »
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PS if you die can i have your A1200T (kidding)?


Seeing as how you asked nicely, then yes... :)

You can pick it up at the Bus Stop (the 281 Bathgate to Edinburgh stops at the bottom of me street, just ask the driver, he'll know)... ;)
 

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2011, 11:49:06 PM »
Franko, you do realize that my ancestors made use of sacramental herb for different reasons than those that dominate modern "white culture" right?

The kind of people you are describing annoy the he'll outta me too! :)
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2011, 03:55:30 AM »
Oh and herbs were designed by the creator for more specific uses than cooking, flavouring, or tea parties. :)
In fact most off the shelf herbs have been heavily watered down so to speak.
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2011, 04:49:35 AM »
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2011, 07:51:53 AM »
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Franko, you do realize that my ancestors made use of sacramental herb for different reasons than those that dominate modern "white culture" right?

The kind of people you are describing annoy the he'll outta me too! :)


Yeah I do know quite a bit about native American Indian traditions and the use of hallucinogenic plants in ceremonies... :)

There's a big difference between that and taking drugs just to get a high for the sake of it... ;)

One of the main things that irks me in this country about drugs is, if your unfortunate to be rushed into hospital these days, the first question they ask you is "what kind of drugs do you take" (and they aint talking prescribed)... :(

It's probably the only thing in life I find highly offensive... :madashell:

It would seem that these days, it's expected that everyone takes or uses some kind of drugs and although I know plenty of people from all walks of life and professions that do take drugs (and many who have ruined their lives and careers and families not to mention even died) from this crazy habit, I've never had the urge to do so myself and only see the damage it has done to others and our local community... :(

There are many things wrong with this world from politics to society in general but it just makes me mad & sad to watch people ruining a perfectly good life all for the sake of taking something that gives them a few moments of pleasure and a lifetime of misery... :(

If there's one topic I will never change my view on it's drugs, I've heard all the petty excuses from friends, family & colleagues over the years and none of it washes with me... ;)
 

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2011, 03:41:37 PM »
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2011, 07:09:27 PM »
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Yeah I do know quite a bit about native American Indian traditions and the use of hallucinogenic plants in ceremonies... :)

There's a big difference between that and taking drugs just to get a high for the sake of it... ;)

One of the main things that irks me in this country about drugs is, if your unfortunate to be rushed into hospital these days, the first question they ask you is "what kind of drugs do you take" (and they aint talking prescribed)... :(

It's probably the only thing in life I find highly offensive... :madashell:

It would seem that these days, it's expected that everyone takes or uses some kind of drugs and although I know plenty of people from all walks of life and professions that do take drugs (and many who have ruined their lives and careers and families not to mention even died) from this crazy habit, I've never had the urge to do so myself and only see the damage it has done to others and our local community... :(

There are many things wrong with this world from politics to society in general but it just makes me mad & sad to watch people ruining a perfectly good life all for the sake of taking something that gives them a few moments of pleasure and a lifetime of misery... :(

If there's one topic I will never change my view on it's drugs, I've heard all the petty excuses from friends, family & colleagues over the years and none of it washes with me... ;)



Don't worry, I'm not trying to get you to smoke a joint Franko. ;)

I'm just pointing out that there are different reasons for people to do things, and different results depending upon the personality taking them.

For instance, I have known this one guy since I was about 14. He has always been obsessive compulsive. VERY Obsessive Compulsive! When I graduated from High School and got my own Apartment, he used to wake me up, every freaking morning about one hour before he had to be to school. At first he began knocking on the door, but once I realized it was him knocking on the door every morning, I stopped answering.

So what does he do? He climbs off the edge of the balcony that the stairs led to (I lived up stairs), and would climb in through my window, which could have resulted in him falling and getting hurt, but he was determined.

After a few days of this I told him,"dude, I graduated, I am free from that institutional prison, I have earned the right to sleep in, if you are going to stop by, do it AFTER school!".

The next day I slept in. The day after that, he stopped in at lunch, the day after that...

...back to crawling in through the window ever day.

Now a days he will message me like five million times a day to see if I want to hang out. I will make it clear that I have no interest in hanging out as I have some projects I'd like to get involved in, or what ever, but he will continue to ask to no end regardless.

About 12 years ago when I let him move into the city with me and my friends, he ended up picking up a crack habit...

...how do you think that went?

Well now a days I don't think he is doing crack anymore considering he's in the Army Reserves and what not, but it's always hard to tell. Obsessive Compulseives act like crack heads anyhow.

Though there is also the alcohol which for an obsessive compulsive person, is just as bad as there are MANY MANY MANY negative side effects to alcohol, for which reason I don't really drink except maybe once a year if that.


Bottom line is it all comes down to the individual as to how they handle the content they are taking. On top of that it is their own friggin' business as to what they put into their body. We ARE NOT government property, or more accurately, because this is what it all boils down to in the big scheme of things (as not brought to you by Tell-Lie-Vision). We are not property of the World Bank, of FDIC, though they are convinced we are.

Anyhow, stereotyping annoys the hell out of me, and people getting all up in other people's lives because of what they want to do annoys the hell out of me. I mean I understand, I FULLY understand being affected by someone with a bad habit. I have plenty more tales about my obsessive compulsive buddy, and a lot more regarding to the local government pill poppers and alcoholics. I live in middle America atm after all.

But in the end, no one has the right to decide what a person does or does not take. That is a violation of freedom, of privacy, of personal sovereignty, and totally in line with the new world agenda which nearly everyone seems to be blindly lining up to become a citizen of and conformist to.

Besides, as I have pointed out, all the drugs and intoxicants that are legal, will MESS YOU UP! And some of those so called drugs, those herbs that they try to send the public into hysteria over...

...are harmless for the most part, if not even healthy to some degree. And it's really a shame that people form such a blind hatered towards pot smokers, because really I wonder if pot smokers would be so paranoid if everyone wasn't looking down on them as if what they are doing is so much worse than being on some sort of pill diet, drunk on alcohol, or what have you.

Anyhow, as for me, it's a nice thing to come home and relax to at the end of the night. I smoke about 1 Gram total a night if that, which is about the equivalent of one cigarette.

Sadly I still smoke Cigarettes too, about 2 packs every other day, and I can feel it. Sadly narcotics are not only mentally addicting, but physically, though I can say I smoke a LOT less than I used to. So I'm on my way.
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2011, 08:25:26 PM »
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Ahh, I guessed as much, the excuses of a drug user... ;)

Sorry mate heard that one and many, many others all before, and stick by everything I say about EVERY person who chooses to use illegal drugs... :)

I even know staff (ie: nurses) in my local hospital (which I have to attend on a regular basis) who smoke joints and/ or pop pills. I refuse to allow them to treat me and always ask for someone else if they are assigned to me, as I simply don't know if they are not still intoxicated while on duty and could end up giving me the wrong medication or treatment... ;)

I would have no objections to drug users if they didn't have an effect on my life but unfortunately they do as they are the ones who keep the dealers where I live in business which turns the place into a dangerous place to live... :(

Like I say no drug users = no drug dealers... simple as... :)
 

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2011, 09:10:02 PM »
I don't use drugs. I'm not prescribed a thing, and I've no interest in acquiring those deadly government pills illegally.

Also pot does not cause hang overs. Alcohol does, so you might wanna ask your nurse or doc if she drank the night before. :)
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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2011, 09:16:11 PM »
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I don't use drugs. I'm not prescribed a thing, and I've no interest in acquiring those deadly government pills illegally.

Also pot does not cause hang overs. Alcohol does, so you might wanna ask your nurse or doc if she drank the night before. :)


You just said in your other post "Anyhow, as for me, it's a nice thing to come home and relax to at the end of the night. I smoke about 1 Gram total a night if that, which is about the equivalent of one cigarette." and now your denying you are a drug user... :rolleyes:

Denial is always a sign of someone hooked on drugs... ;)

If I have reason to believe a nurse or Doctor is "hungover" I  DO ASK THEM and ask to be treated by someone else instead... :)
 

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Re: Amy Winehouse dead
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 26, 2011, 09:48:23 PM »
Man made = drug, an herb is an herb. :)

Denial is always a sign of someone with perceptual dysfunction as advocated by the "opinion makers" behind the consolidated media.

That's where people always seem to get their strange ideas. ;)
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