AmigaOS 4.1 Classic Available To Buy

[Karlos]

Sure,  I can run this test today:  what settings do you want me to apply in the BlizzardPPC memory config?

I would suggest that if it works reliably with all the waitstates disabled, then try that. Otherwise I'd suggest testing it set to 60ns mode and in either case, compare it against some other 60ns rated memory.

There's really no rush for this, I was just curious.

[Franko]

128MB Single sided are very rare- I have one in my A1200 at home but we have been unable to source them new recently.

The new 128MB SIMMs we have in stock measure: 108 mm x 29 mm x 8 mm

They are 50ns memory at the moment as well

Thanks for the info, just checked the dimensions of my SIMMS they are 9.35mm thick, so I don't think the difference of 1.35mm is going to help...

(Pity... Hmm... wonder if I could sand them down a wee bit...

[amigakit]

PCI network cards compatible with AmigaOS 4.1 Classic now available:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1041

[Nearly-Right]

I just asked the developer and he said the ESS 1938, 1946 and 1969 *should* work.  If not we probably just have to add the Device / vendor ID.  Which we can do.

Well has the ESS chipsets 1938 & 1946 SOLO cards been tested to see if they work with Classic OS 4.1?

I mean, how can this Classic OS 4.1 be released with the announcement that the SOLO card is supported, when just one of the chipsets is supported without being more specific.

More testing should have been done, or more specific information should have been released before the announcement that the SOLO soundcard works with Classic OS4.1, I mean it's just misleading, yet again.

The only card tested currently is the one with the 1969 chipset.  I don't have any of the other cards nor does anyone else on the beta/developer team.  But since those chips are in the same family it should work providing we have the device / vendor ID's.  So if you have such a card and it's recognized on the PCI bus, but not working with AHI use the Ranger utility to get the vendor / device ID and I'll pass the info to the developer and we'll update it.

Still waiting for the update?

There does not seem to be much going on with Classic OS4.1, and there seems to be little information being divluged by people who might have bought Classic OS4.1 prepared to sing it's praises, which in itself is not inspiring.

Great !! AmigaKit have got RTL8029AS NIC PCI cards, but what about the 'supported' SOLO cards, and the 'supported' SATA cards?

After all, those who want to add the latest features of Classic OS4.1 will also need the hardware to be able to use it. Seems we've been waiting a good while for Classic OS4.1, and in all that time the main stockist of the software doesn't/hasn't even thought through, or acquired the hardware to sell to people who'd be interested in supporting the OS by buying it. It's all a mess, that should have been avoided by better planning.

Any comment AmigaKit?

[HammerD]

Well has the ESS chipsets 1938 & 1946 SOLO cards been tested to see if they work with Classic OS 4.1?

I mean, how can this Classic OS 4.1 be released with the announcement that the SOLO card is supported, when just one of the chipsets is supported without being more specific.

More testing should have been done, or more specific information should have been released before the announcement that the SOLO soundcard works with Classic OS4.1, I mean it's just misleading, yet again.



Still waiting for the update?

There does not seem to be much going on with Classic OS4.1, and there seems to be little information being divluged by people who might have bought Classic OS4.1 prepared to sing it's praises, which in itself is not inspiring.

Great !! AmigaKit have got RTL8029AS NIC PCI cards, but what about the 'supported' SOLO cards, and the 'supported' SATA cards?

After all, those who want to add the latest features of Classic OS4.1 will also need the hardware to be able to use it. Seems we've been waiting a good while for Classic OS4.1, and in all that time the main stockist of the software doesn't/hasn't even thought through, or acquired the hardware to sell to people who'd be interested in supporting the OS by buying it. It's all a mess, that should have been avoided by better planning.

Any comment AmigaKit?

Hi Nearly Right, lots going on but just not in the Amiga.org forum.  Expect further announcements from Hyperion.  I have a report from one user that his ESS Solo-1 card with the 1938 chipset is working. I have two different cards here with the 1969 chipset - both working.   BUT - as for the Solo-1 cards, and other PCI cards, such as the Radeon cards,  there are 100's of variants of these cards out there and there is no possible way for us to support or test all of them.

I'm afraid you'll just have to purchase a card that is on the hardware compatibility list (which is on my website), and even then, unless you purchase the exact card that was tested, it may not work.  Since AmigaKit is now starting to stock compatible cards, that is probably the best place to look.

http://www.hd-zone.com is my site with an unofficial hardware compatibility list.

Darren

[delshay]

with a little modifcation Blizzard PPC card can take *any* simm module.

one modifcation can be done by most users,the other it's recommended a expert should do this to avoid damage to the card.

[Nearly-Right]

lots going on but just not in the Amiga.org forum.

Pity the information isn't at some central point that is directly connected to Hyperion or the software distributors, but you should take a LOT of credit for all the help you are handing out, which is very welcome, but frankly it's a disgrace of Hyperion and AmigaKit.

Expect further announcements from Hyperion.

But when and on whose website? It's all dragging on longer that it should. An important OS release should have been better prepared and complete than the current lacklustre situation we find ourselves in, IMHO.

I have a report from one user that his ESS Solo-1 card with the 1938 chipset is working.

That is more reassuring, but has that person supplied the specific card manufacturer, and model of the card that works with the 1938 chipset under Classic OS4.1, so we can all know which card is definitely OK to use with Classic OS4.1, and can consider buying it if we come across one the same?

I have two different cards here with the 1969 chipset - both working.   BUT - as for the Solo-1 cards, and other PCI cards, such as the Radeon cards,  there are 100's of variants of these cards out there and there is no possible way for us to support or test all of them.

OK, I suppose that's true, but the ones that are reported as working, all the relevant information about that card should be made available for us all to be aware that's it is compatible with Classic OS4.1. Will you ensure this gets done? I suppose the update would be updated on your website, which is very helpful, but there's room for a little more specific information as I've mentioned.

I'm afraid you'll just have to purchase a card that is on the hardware compatibility list (which is on my website), and even then, unless you purchase the exact card that was tested, it may not work.

But that's my point so far, some of the information you've just mentioned to me, such as the SOLO 1938 chipset soundcard is not on your website, so that needs updating, once it's confirmed it does work correctly, and any specific changes/modification that are needed to any system file to get it to work OK.

Since AmigaKit is now starting to stock compatible cards, that is probably the best place to look.

Yes but there is still no mention of compatible soundcards, or SATA cards being stocked.

http://www.hd-zone.com is my site with an unofficial hardware compatibility list.

Seen your site, it's a great help, but it needs a little more up-to-date information on there, but frankly it should not have to be you doing it, the impetus, and responsibility should be Hyperion's and AmigaKit's, but I for one am really grateful for you going to all this trouble to help those of us interested and still considering hopefully the benefits of purchasing Classic OS4.1, but I need some more convincing as yet.

The feature about the Soundblaster 128 soundcard being used to channel the sound was novel, but should be fully supported by the Classic OS 4.1 AHI system. It's a terrible shame that it's not, as those cards are much better at what they do, and much easier to come by as a second hand soundcard.

[Karlos]

@Nearly-Right

If I were a gambling man (which I'm not, but let's pretend otherwise), I would wager you wouldn't buy OS4.1 for classic if it came with hand-tested-by-Darren-himself-and-guaranteed-compatible expansions and personally installed by Carl Moppet all at no extra charge

First you complain there is no decent information on supported expansions. Then a compiled list is provided. Then you complain it's not "official", which fair enough, it isn't, but the guy providing it has been testing 4.1 classic since day zero, so it is as good as you would get from any of the developers. Then you complain that some of the available information is ambiguous and needs further clarification, which he goes off to try and find out about. No matter what the guy writes or how much he goes out of his way to answer your questions, your posts fall back onto everything being a disgrace, taking too long etc. and for all the overtures to applauding his effort, you just end up back at square one. I'm personally waiting for the Elbox intra-card DMA issue to resurface as soon as you get bored of making Darren run around answering your questions.

Let's be totally open and honest here. You got your fingers burnt with 4.0 classic and there's no way you are going to buy 4.1 classic on principal. I totally get it, it's not as if you are the only person that feels that way. However, for anybody else, 4.1 classic is available, supports more hardware than 4.0 classic did and a growing list of confirmed working expansions exists, officially sanctioned or not, the information is available and improving for anybody contemplating it.

[Franko]

@Nearly-Right
You got your fingers burnt with 4.0 classic and there's no way you are going to buy 4.1 classic on principal. I totally get it, it's not as if you are the only person that feels that way.

No being biased here but...

[Iggy]

@Nearly-Right

If I were a gambling man (which I'm not, but let's pretend otherwise), I would wager you wouldn't buy OS4.1 for classic if it came with hand-tested-by-Darren-himself-and-guaranteed-compatible expansions and personally installed by Carl Moppet all at no extra charge

First you complain there is no decent information on supported expansions. Then a compiled list is provided. Then you complain it's not "official", which fair enough, it isn't, but the guy providing it has been testing 4.1 classic since day zero, so it is as good as you would get from any of the developers. Then you complain that some of the available information is ambiguous and needs further clarification, which he goes off to try and find out about. No matter what the guy writes or how much he goes out of his way to answer your questions, your posts fall back onto everything being a disgrace, taking too long etc. and for all the overtures to applauding his effort, you just end up back at square one. I'm personally waiting for the Elbox intra-card DMA issue to resurface as soon as you get bored of making Darren run around answering your questions.

Let's be totally open and honest here. You got your fingers burnt with 4.0 classic and there's no way you are going to buy 4.1 classic on principal. I totally get it, it's not as if you are the only person that feels that way. However, for anybody else, 4.1 classic is available, supports more hardware than 4.0 classic did and a growing list of confirmed working expansions exists, officially sanctioned or not, the information is available and improving for anybody contemplating it.

Thanks Karlos,

This is the one application for OS4.1 I'm actually interested in.

BTW - Where the A1 benchmarks (as you can see I'm not a patient man)?

[Karlos]

BTW - Where the A1 benchmarks (as you can see I'm not a patient man)?

It's not really a benchmark unless I can persuade DoomAttack to run a timedemo. Not sure how you do that :-/

[lsmart]

If you are a classic user in 2011, you are into retro/vintage computing where it's important that *all* your old Amiga games and application runs, and runs flawlessly.

I doubt that. Most of the classic guys here don´t own a vanilla 68000 CPU nor Kickstart 1.X ROMs. They won´t be able to run about 40% of all amiga titles released before 1990.

[lsmart]

Look how much software has been released for OS4 since it became available. Discounting ports, at this rate your PPC hardware will fail before anything comes out.

Hey hey! I have never had any Hardware fail on me, well except for two of my Macs. But then it´s a MorphOS problem, isn´t it?

There is some nice AmigaOS4 software out there and if people don´t bitch around too much there is more to come. But of course you won´t rival Linux at that.

[amigakit]

OK, here is the list of some of the AmigaOS 4.1 Classic supported hardware we have in stock right now:

SATA 4-Port Raid card for Mediator
10Mbps PCI Network Card (Mediator)
Radeon 9250 PCI 128MB Graphics Card
Subway USB

We sold out of 128MB Memory last week, but it will be back in stock in a few days.

[HammerD]

OK, here is the list of some of the AmigaOS 4.1 Classic supported hardware we have in stock right now:

SATA 4-Port Raid card for Mediator
10Mbps PCI Network Card (Mediator)
Radeon 9250 PCI 128MB Graphics Card
Subway USB

We sold out of 128MB Memory last week, but it will be back in stock in a few days.

Good stuff, i've updated my site with the info - see my signature

[magnetic]

Goose

Maybe if Hyperion hadnt spread lies about Ralph S. and Morphos guys about them being crooks and stealing code ( with no proof presented ever even when called out) you users with Phase5 gear would have drivers.