Distribution Licence For Workbench...

[commodorejohn]

@Franko to be Frank with you (excuse the pun), the best idea is to just support the AROS68k project. It already has compatibility with AmigaOS 1.3 through to 3.1, and is getting better everyday...

Saying "just support AROS instead" is completely missing the point. What we have here is a group of crooks who vultured the rights to software they didn't even make, software that is crucial to the operation of a 68k Amiga. They've locked up that software and licensed it to one company that doesn't even make it available outside of a compilation product that many of us don't want.

AROS 68k is a fine and noble effort, but even when it gets to the point that it's self-hosting, that still won't change the fact that the real Amiga system software (not some application program, the software needed to run the computer) is locked up by a passel of thieves and scoundrels.

[bloodline]

@ Bloodline

You know the Tax fiddle thing was a joke, but to answer your query about supporting AROS then the answer is no, as it's simply something I don't have a use for or need, so sorry but I don't give my money away to things that hold no interest for me...

Um, AROS provides a Free Workbench/Kickstart replacement... One that is not encumbered with stupid copyright issues... Please explain how that is something you don't "have a use for or need"? This whole thread is dedicated to the fact you DO have a need for just such software!?

[dammy]

Saying "just support AROS instead" is completely missing the point. What we have here is a group of crooks who vultured the rights to software they didn't even make, software that is crucial to the operation of a 68k Amiga. They've locked up that software and licensed it to one company that doesn't even make it available outside of a compilation product that many of us don't want.

No, AI licensed out that to multiple companies. Cloanto, C=USA, and Hyperion.

AROS 68k is a fine and noble effort, but even when it gets to the point that it's self-hosting, that still won't change the fact that the real Amiga system software (not some application program, the software needed to run the computer) is locked up by a passel of thieves and scoundrels.

Yet AROS68K is a replacement for real Amiga system OS's, right down to the kickstart.  But I know, it's easier to pirate then to do the right thing.

[kolla]

I'm curious about how Cloanto is allowed to distribute that OS 3.X kickstart of theirs.
I very much doubt that their deal from 1994 or thereabouts regarding distribution of AmigaOS allows them to make such changes to the software in question.

[kolla]

But I know, it's easier to pirate then to do the right thing.

Those are not mutually exclusive you know, in this case the right thing to do is to pirate

[commodorejohn]

No, AI licensed out that to multiple companies. Cloanto, C=USA, and Hyperion.

Oh, my mistake. AI licensed to three companies, and none of the four has made OS3.1 available outside of bundling with another product. There, factually accurate again!

Yet AROS68K is a replacement for real Amiga system OS's, right down to the kickstart.  But I know, it's easier to pirate then to do the right thing.

Not yet it's not - and in any case, my point wasn't that it isn't fully compatible, it's that it's not the real system software, which remains in rights lockdown thanks to AI.

But I know, it's easier to natter about piracy than to face the fact that AI is using broken copyright law to screw us over.

[haywirepc]

Post them franko, then post the hatemail you get in this thread.
 
I'm sure someone from cloanto was told about this thread. If they have an objection to your posting that stuff they should let you know.
 
How long will the amiga grave robbers keep holding on to this stuff?

Maybe they should all get real jobs and stop trying to live off the corpse of amiga. Silly Billy especially.
 
Steven

[koaftder]

Post them franko, then post the hatemail you get in this thread.

He won't because he just wants to get close enough to a TOS violation to cause a hissy fit on the forum for a few chuckles without actually getting banned.

[koaftder]

Yet AROS68K is a replacement for real Amiga system OS's, right down to the kickstart.  But I know, it's easier to pirate then to do the right thing.

You can't argue with folks who have a massive sense of entitlement.

[Franko]

Um, AROS provides a Free Workbench/Kickstart replacement... One that is not encumbered with stupid copyright issues... Please explain how that is something you don't "have a use for or need"? This whole thread is dedicated to the fact you DO have a need for just such software!?

Okey Dokey... it's simples...

How long has AROS been in "development" and how long before anyone ever sees a finished 68K version of it, to me personally it doesn't really matter at this point in time AS I HAVE NO INTEREST IN IT...

I only have a need for the use of the original ROMS not some new ones someone is putting together even if they do have improvements, hope you can understand that...

Dunno where you got the idea from that this thread is about the ROMS, IT"S NOT, its simply about (and this is for the last time) making the WORKBENCH DISK SETS free and easy to find and download for folk who require them...

It's high time everyone got their heads out of their arses and stopped all this pretence that it's fine that you can find them on the net if you look hard enough but just don't tell anyone or mention it in public on forums... :rolleyes:

What the frig is wrong with some of you people have you reverted back to being 6 years old and think that covering your eyes and saying "na na na na na, can't see me" or in this case can't see the sites with workebench  on them that everything is hunky dorey and all is right in Amigaland... :lol:

Gwad sake geeza brek... :rolleyes:

If you don't understand what I'm trying to do then please don't comment on it  with the same old BS and changing the subject to something else...

For those that do understand what my motivation is here then I thank you for the support and like yourselves I want to see an end to all this pathetic and childish behaviour that has plagued the name of Amiga for far too many years now, maybe some have tried before, I don't know but when I set out to do something I follow it through to the end whether the outcome is what I wanted or not...

[Darrin]

It only started working at all, late last year! As I'm on the Dev-list I can see the improvements daily, with our support it will surpass the aged Commodore produced OSs

Right, so my point is, until you can provide a 100% (or even 99%) compatible Kickstart replacement and AROS 680x0 package then it doesn't enter this discussion.  We may as well be talking about Cold Fusion.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AROS appear as a modern compatable Workbench replacement, but it has been something like 20 years so far and it still isn't there and I'm not prepared to wait another 20 years for it to mature.

I've always got the feeling that AROS is about pushing the Amiga OS onto other, faster hardware and 680x0 versions are a bit of a sideline.

[Darrin]

Um, AROS provides a Free Workbench/Kickstart replacement... One that is not encumbered with stupid copyright issues... Please explain how that is something you don't "have a use for or need"? This whole thread is dedicated to the fact you DO have a need for just such software!?

In my case, it doesn't work so I'm not paying for it.

I will promise the AROS team one thing, when it works correctly and I'm using it then I'll make a donation to the cause.

Like Franko, I pay money for things that interest me.  I bought a C-One board, I bought one of the early Minimig v1.1 boards, I've bought a Chameleon and I've bought a FPGA Arcade all because I want to help them get developed and released as commercial items (except for the C-One which morphed into the Chameleon and the Natami, but then it always was a dev board).

[eb15]

> Oh, my mistake. AI licensed to three companies, and none of the four has made
> OS3.1 available outside of bundling with another product.
> There, factually accurate again!

Since "Amiga Inc." in its many incarnations, moved from 1.3 through 3.1 on to versions 3.5 and 3.9, it shouldn't come as a shock that they're not spending their money supporting older versions just as most other software companies don't spend their money supporting old versions of software.

[bloodline]

In my case, it doesn't work so I'm not paying for it.

I will promise the AROS team one thing, when it works correctly and I'm using it then I'll make a donation to the cause.

Like Franko, I pay money for things that interest me.  I bought a C-One board, I bought one of the early Minimig v1.1 boards, I've bought a Chameleon and I've bought a FPGA Arcade all because I want to help them get developed and released as commercial items (except for the C-One which morphed into the Chameleon and the Natami, but then it always was a dev board).

How do I put this? AROS isn't a company, it's not a "Team", it's not a project, it's a source code repository. This source code is free for anyone to use and when compiled generates software that clones AmigaOS. This source code is added to and improved by members of the Amiga community.

You can't donate to the AROS team, you can simply make requests for features/improvements and add an incentive to inspire a coder to take up the request. Whatever is the result of that, become part of the AROS code and is free for anyone to use. It is a community effort, by the comment for the community.

I realise you might not understand the opensource movement so this can seem alien, but the end result is worth the effort. I have donated both money and code to the project and I would expect others to do the same if they want the Amiga to still exist in 20 years.

You say it doesn't work, I know then that you haven't even tried AROS68k...

[Darrin]

How do I put this? AROS isn't a company, it's not a "Team", it's not a project, it's a source code repository. This source code is free for anyone to use and when compiled generates software that clones AmigaOS. This source code is added to and improved by members of the Amiga community.

You can't donate to the AROS team, you can simply make requests for features/improvements and add an incentive to inspire a coder to take up the request. Whatever is the result of that, become part of the AROS code and is free for anyone to use. It is a community effort, by the comment for the community.

I realise you might not understand the opensource movement so this can seem alien, but the end result is worth the effort. I have donated both money and code to the project and I would expect others to do the same if they want the Amiga to still exist in 20 years.

You say it doesn't work, I know then that you haven't even tried AROS68k...

Does it work 100%?  The answer is "no" so I don't need to try it yet.

Once it does work and I can use it as I use WB3.x then I can donate to the team by donating to "bounties" to add extra features.

You see, if it actually did "work" then  we would all be using it right now and we wouldn't have this thread.  Correct?

[Fraggle1]

Once again I feel I must speak up in Franko's defence.
What he's trying to do here is to bring some common sense to a community full of hot air & BS. A community that would rather argue forever than do something practical to claim what should be theirs by right if natural justice had anything to do with it.

And don't talk to me about "piracy" killing the Amiga. Back in the day, retailers supported the Amiga simply because of it's high prices, robbing both end users AND developers. (I know that a certain 'must have' application retailed for 7 or 8 times it's wholesale price)
Result ? Users copied stuff rather than pay ridiculous prices & developers found pastures new, where they got a better return for their efforts. You might also blame Amiga freeware, who's quality often made commercial products redundant.
When C= went belly up, ordinary users (as opposed to Amiga fans) dumped their Amigas & bought PCs, & the fast shrinking Amiga market (not piracy) was a major factor in developers abandoning the Amiga - They had mortgages to pay, dammit !

Are we now expected to listen to self-righteous babbling by a few people who seem to think that the Amiga will somehow be 'damaged' by Franko making WB disks easily available ?

The damage was done many years ago by those who made a fast buck & then ceased to care, & IMHO, Franko is trying to help this dwindling community by giving something back.