Distribution Licence For Workbench...

[BooBoo1200]

Because they dont know how to use google?

[Darrin]

Once Cloanto offers a copy of WB3.1 for sale unbundled, I will happily purchase it.

I'd love to see them bundle a large LHA archive of their OS3.x install that could be extracted to a real Amiga and run (we can add our own RTG if necessary).

Unfortunately you can't just copy their WinUAE OS3.x environment over (well I couldn't last time I tried).

And for the record, I've bought Amiga Forever packages several times.  

[Darrin]

Take note Franko.  Barry Altman used the same excuses when he plagiarised fan art for his website.

Yeah, but Franko isn't claiming to have created a new OS called "xWorkbench3.1C=" and taking pre-orders.    

[Darrin]

Anyone capable of typing 'workbench31.zip' into Google has been able to download Workbench whenever they needed to for as long as I can remember anyway, I don't see the need for this debate.

Yeah, but I for one would rather download ADFs from a trusted source like Franko's website instead of some unknown origin ADF that might have a virus installed "for shits and giggles".

I knew my Minimig was a "real" Amiga when it caught a bootblock virus off an ADF of P.O.W.  

[Franko]

Yeah, but I for one would rather download ADFs from a trusted source like Franko's website instead of some unknown origin ADF that might have a virus installed "for shits and giggles".

I knew my Minimig was a "real" Amiga when it caught a bootblock virus off an ADF of P.O.W.  

Now there's an idea a nice wee virus that detects greetin faced copyright mafia armchair lawyer wannabes...

That would be nice knowing that they downloaded it despite their lofty morals and found themselves infected with a nice new virus made especially just for them...

I like the sound of that...

[Darrin]

Now there's an idea a nice wee virus that detects greetin faced copyright mafia armchair lawyer wannabes...

That would be nice knowing that they downloaded it despite their lofty morals and found themselves infected with a nice new virus made especially just for them...

I like the sound of that...

You could call it the "Dammy Exterminator Virus" and it could pop up a message "Something awful has happened to CommodoreUSA"  

[jj]

No one is doing an end around Cloanto. Cloanto is not the only ones with a right to distribute Amiga OS. Is Hyperion doing an end around Cloanto too then? They are distributing AmigaOS. An updated version at that! Are they trying to screw Cloanto?
 
Petro gave permission for Workbench 3.0 long ago to be distributed free. So he can at least put that up legally.
 
http://de-de.facebook.com/people/Petro-T-Tyschtschenko/1365691299

 
No he gave permission for AF to put it on their CDs not the same thing at all

[antonvaltaz]

@Franko,
 
I have every sympathy for what you're doing, it is absolutely ludicrous that they are not distributed for free. As others have said, though, it does seem a little pointless your making a big deal about it, as they are easy to find via Google.
 
What I suspect will happen though is that you will be contacted by Cloanto, especially as their representatives are regularly on these boards. They are not the copyright owners, but as licensees they seem to be under the impression (whether rightly or wrongly I don't know) that it is their legal obligation to take action when they are made aware of sites distributing Kickstart or Workbench files.
 
From http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-122:
 

While Amiga Forever as a whole, being the result of several years of work by Cloanto and its licensors, is a commercial package, we do not oppose, and actually repeatedly encouraged, both the idea of making the original Amiga operating system "open source", and that of creating a similar operating system from scratch (e.g. the AROS project).
 
At the same time, because we are licensees of multiple components from different parties, we are part of a chain of responsibilities, both contractual and determined by local jurisdictions, when it comes to information about unlicensed ROM and operating system files, or copies of Amiga Forever. When we receive reports about web sites which are claimed to provide such files, we are obliged by law and by contract to take some action. This could be a friendly informative email to the webmaster, which usually concludes the matter in an amicable and constructive way for all parties, or, more regrettably, it could escalate all the way to the ISP and to local computer crime authorities.

I'll be curious to see what happens anyway!

[gertsy]

Interesting read.  My translation:  If you copy anything that we don't think you should then it's illegal.  If you copy stuff we think is okay then it's okay.  Huh?
I don't want to sound sarcastic, but I do: It would seem their responsibilities are bound by any interpretation of law that devalues the Amiga Forever product.  
You can do illegal stuff if you buy our product first?
Is my interpretation skew-whiff?

[Bamiga2002]

"When justice isn't served it's time to take matters in your own hands"

that sums it up pretty well

[bloodline]

@Franko,
 
I have every sympathy for what you're doing, it is absolutely ludicrous that they are not distributed for free. As others have said, though, it does seem a little pointless your making a big deal about it, as they are easy to find via Google.
 
What I suspect will happen though is that you will be contacted by Cloanto, especially as their representatives are regularly on these boards. They are not the copyright owners, but as licensees they seem to be under the impression (whether rightly or wrongly I don't know) that it is their legal obligation to take action when they are made aware of sites distributing Kickstart or Workbench files.
 
From http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-122:
 

 
I'll be curious to see what happens anyway!

And Cloanto have every right and legal responsibly to protect the AmigaOS IP... They seem to be very fair with their approach.

@Franko to be Frank with you (excuse the pun), the best idea is to just support the AROS68k project. It already has compatibility with AmigaOS 1.3 through to 3.1, and is getting better everyday... Why not funnel those vast tax fiddled funds you boast about, into some more bounties to help the developers optimise and improve it?

[Jope]

Amigaforeveryone.info was alive for a whole year without a single take down email or phone call received. You could download the entire TOSEC sets of kickstarts and workbenches off that site.

The owner let the domain lapse, as he felt he had made his point.

[jj]

And Cloanto have every right and legal responsibly to protect the AmigaOS IP... They seem to be very fair with their approach.
 
@Franko to be Frank with you (excuse the pun), the best idea is to just support the AROS68k project. It already has compatibility with AmigaOS 1.3 through to 3.1, and is getting better everyday... Why not funnel those vast tax fiddled funds you boast about, into some more bounties to help the developers optimise and improve it?

 
Because that would not annoy anyone and Franko is all about confrontation and strife its what he strives to do as much as possible

[Amiga_Nut]

@Franko

Someone pointed out in another thread that Petro gave Amiga Workbench 3.0 free to the community along time ago.


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 Quote from Amiga Format CD #51: AFCD51/+System+/Tools/Workbench/Workbench 3.x/AF_Readme

 Here are the DMS archives for the complete Workbench 3.0, in case you haven't
 got an install disk, or you corrupt your originals. We can't put later versions
 on because we'd need a licence to do so, but Petro Tyschtschenko has given us
 permission to include this version of AmigaOS on all AFCDs from now on.

 To extract the files, simply have a stack of six disks at the ready for
 insertion into df0: (or whichever drive you've set up in AFCDPrefs) and then
 double click on the DMS archive icons.
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Files on Amiga Format CD #51: AFCD51/+System+/Tools/Workbench/Workbench 3.x/

 Install.dms
 Workbench.dms
 Locale.dms
 Fonts.dms
 Extras.dms
 Storage.dms
 OS3.1_BoingBag1.lzx
 AF_Readme

Petro gave Future Publishing a licence to include them on their Amiga Format cover CDs, the AF CDs are copyrighted and the permission does not extend to anyone other than Future Publishing. This does not make WB 3.0 freeware/abandonware.

[jj]

I said that

[Amiga_Nut]

And Cloanto have every right and legal responsibly to protect the AmigaOS IP... They seem to be very fair with their approach.

@Franko to be Frank with you (excuse the pun), the best idea is to just support the AROS68k project. It already has compatibility with AmigaOS 1.3 through to 3.1, and is getting better everyday... Why not funnel those vast tax fiddled funds you boast about, into some more bounties to help the developers optimise and improve it?

It's not their IP at all, some low life crook let them have the Kickstart ROMs and WB disk images to put on their overpriced compilations with the FREE WinUAE emulator.

Having 27 year old technology not made freely distributed and Cloanto pimping their pathetic overpriced is not good for the retro community.

And Tony better fix the damage he has done to the Amiga community by letting those Cloanto use his WinUAE and get a Kickstart replacement rom that will run ALL OCS/ECS/AGA games ASAP so we can finally shove those Amiga Rip-off CD/DVDs and just use WinUAE and the ADFs without interference from Cloanto once and for all.

The purpose is to keep the memory of Amiga alive FOR FREE and it is NOT to line the pockets of idiot talentless coders at Cloanto. Even their paint package at the time was pure and a rip-off of Dpaint. Pure SCUM!