Distribution Licence For Workbench...

[Amiga_Nut]

And Cloanto have every right and legal responsibly to protect the AmigaOS IP... They seem to be very fair with their approach.

@Franko to be Frank with you (excuse the pun), the best idea is to just support the AROS68k project. It already has compatibility with AmigaOS 1.3 through to 3.1, and is getting better everyday... Why not funnel those vast tax fiddled funds you boast about, into some more bounties to help the developers optimise and improve it?

It's not their IP at all, some low life crook let them have the Kickstart ROMs and WB disk images to put on their overpriced compilations with the FREE WinUAE emulator.

Having 27 year old technology not made freely distributed and Cloanto pimping their pathetic overpriced is not good for the retro community.

And Tony better fix the damage he has done to the Amiga community by letting those Cloanto use his WinUAE and get a Kickstart replacement rom that will run ALL OCS/ECS/AGA games ASAP so we can finally shove those Amiga Rip-off CD/DVDs and just use WinUAE and the ADFs without interference from Cloanto once and for all.

The purpose is to keep the memory of Amiga alive FOR FREE and it is NOT to line the pockets of idiot talentless coders at Cloanto. Even their paint package at the time was pure and a rip-off of Dpaint. Pure SCUM!

[bloodline]

@AmigaNut

Unfortunatelly you don't get to decide what is legal and what isn't. Cloanto have paid real money to get a Free Verison of AmigaOS available to ALL Amiga users, what you you ever done (other than be a prat of course, you can have that for free)?

Instead of whining about how you want others to make pirate copies of AOS available (to keep the memory Alive?!), why not help out the community by supporting the Free Opensource clone of AROS68K?

[antonvaltaz]

Amigaforeveryone.info was alive for a whole year without a single take down email or phone call received. You could download the entire TOSEC sets of kickstarts and workbenches off that site.

Was it actually heavily advertised though? I only stumbled across it from some obscure link somewhere (I forget where) - wasn't it hidden from Google search spiders etc?
 

It's not their f**king IP at all, some low life crook let them have the Kickstart ROMs and WB disk images to put on their overpriced SHIT compilations with the FREE WinUAE emulator.

That'll be Amiga International back in 1997 then... you do know that Amiga Forever is a lot more than just WinUAE and some ROMs? If you don't want it, don't buy it, but why the hatred?
 

And Tony better fix the f**king damage he has done to the Amiga community by letting those assholes Cloanto use his WinUAE and get a Kickstart replacement rom that will run ALL OCS/ECS/AGA games ASAP so we can finally shove those Amiga Rip-off CD/DVDs up their fat hairy arses and just use WinUAE and the ADFs without interference from Cloanto once and for all.

It's not Toni's WinUAE, he's the current maintainer but it was around for a long time before he started. It's released under GPL so Cloanto are perfectly within their rights to include it on their compilations, as long as they make the source code available (which they do).
 
Given the immense work that Toni has done, for free, for the Amiga emulation community, it's a bit rich to suggest he owes anyone anything. Especially as his current work on the open source Kickstart ROM will mean that there is a freely distributable alternative (which Cloanto have also repeatedly said they want, and indeed have funded it's development).
 
What is your problem with Cloanto? They're not the ones blocking the distribution of the original Kickstart ROMs. Save your hatred for Amiga Inc.

[koaftder]

This thread is a farce and the only reason it exists is because Franko is bored and wants attention.

[jj]

This thread is a farce and the only reason it exists is because Franko is bored and wants attention.

 
Very well said sir

[Cool_amigaN]

@AmigaNut
 
Unfortunatelly you don't get to decide what is legal and what isn't. Cloanto have paid real money to get a Free Verison of AmigaOS available to ALL Amiga users, what you you ever done (other than be a prat of course, you can have that for free)?
 
Instead of whining about how you want others to make pirate copies of AOS available (to keep the memory Alive?!), why not help out the community by supporting the Free Opensource clone of AROS68K?

Cloanto offers an emulated suite (suite = UAE bundled with lots of goodies such as AE, programms etc) of AmigaOS that does not run on real amigas.
 
Right now, it is impossible to obtain any version of 68k AmigaOS.

[bloodline]

Cloanto offers an emulated suite (suite = UAE bundled with lots of goodies such as AE, programms etc) of AmigaOS that does not run on real amigas.
 
Right now, it is impossible to obtain any version of 68k AmigaOS.

And Cloanto have paid very large sums of money into the AROS 68k and Kickstart replacement bounties. Without their help the AROS68K project wouldn't exist at the level it is now!

It is a Free clone of AmigaOS that CAN boot real Amigas and run Amiga software! That is the future! Not pirating copyrighted software!

[tone007]

This thread is a farce and the only reason it exists is because Franko is bored and wants attention.

Kind of like that thread where you got drunk and threw all of your Amigas in the dumpster!

[Darrin]

And Cloanto have paid very large sums of money into the AROS 68k and Kickstart replacement bounties. Without their help the AROS68K project wouldn't exist at the level it is now!

It is a Free clone of AmigaOS that CAN boot real Amigas and run Amiga software! That is the future! Not pirating copyrighted software!

So it works PERFECTLY then?

[Bamiga2002]

But wouldn't it be easier to develop AROS 68k with WB3.1 sources at hand freely available?

[bloodline]

So it works PERFECTLY then?

It only started working at all, late last year! As I'm on the Dev-list I can see the improvements daily, with our support it will surpass the aged Commodore produced OSs

[koaftder]

Kind of like that thread where you got drunk and threw all of your Amigas in the dumpster!

I actually did that.

[Cool_amigaN]

And Cloanto have paid very large sums of money into the AROS 68k and Kickstart replacement bounties. Without their help the AROS68K project wouldn't exist at the level it is now!
 
It is a Free clone of AmigaOS that CAN boot real Amigas and run Amiga software! That is the future! Not pirating copyrighted software!

I know that AOS 68k ADFs serves as base for their software offer and they have paid for it. I respect their dedication to AROS project. However, again, this isn't a debate about Cloanto, Aros or His majesty Franko himself.
 
As I have a pointed out already offering (selling) a suite for classic AOS emulation that has absolutely zero purpose on a 68k hardware and distribute stock 68k AOS ADFs, are two completely different subjects.
 
Secondly, right now, it is impossible to boot and setup 1.3-3.1 since no one is selling them. I can't understand the elitist view of some fellow amigans. Why would anyone has to go in such a hussle, tracking down like inspector gagdet of eBay, a proper (original) copy of AOS (that will be more likely overpriced) if his are damaged because of aging?
 
Finally, imo, each and every 68k software (not only the OS) that is important (e.g productivity software) but not sold for many years and the company/author has stopped supporting with new updates/went out of business/moved on from the market several years ago, must become PD immediately. If anyone wants the same, provide me with a digital copy of the software and I will hosting it.

[Franko]

To be honest most of the posts since my last one in this thread aren't worth even commenting on (especially the a-holes ones like koaftder & JJ's)...

I've explained in this thread enough times my reasons for doing what I am going to do, so if you haven't bothered to read them then tough luck, I aint explaining it again...

All I will say about some of the stuff posted about Cloanto is, if Cloanta would be kind enough to inform me of whom I can contact to try and purchase a distribution licence then that would be great and I'd be more than happy to do so...

However as I don't believe Cloanto has the ability to actually sell or issue me with a licence, then the claims by some that they have the right to ask me to remove things from my site or take legal action against me don't hold any water and if as someone said, they or their reps view this site regularly then why haven't they said something here...

Cloanto are more then welcome to get in touch with me anytime now, or when the items are up on my site to either ask me to remove them or if they so wish, to attempt to pursue legal action but they had better be able to prove to me that it is their property they are asking me to remove. If not then any polite request or legal challenges will be dealt with appropriately...

@ Bloodline

You know the Tax fiddle thing was a joke, but to answer your query about supporting AROS then the answer is no, as it's simply something I don't have a use for or need, so sorry but I don't give my money away to things that hold no interest for me...

[Franko]

To be honest most of the posts since my last one in this thread aren't worth even commenting on (especially the a-holes ones like koaftder & JJ's)...

I've explained in this thread enough times my reasons for doing what I am going to do, so if you haven't bothered to read them then tough luck, I aint explaining it again...

All I will say about some of the stuff posted about Cloanto is, if Cloanta would be kind enough to inform me of whom I can contact to try and purchase a distribution licence then that would be great and I'd be more than happy to do so...

However as I don't believe Cloanto has the ability to actually sell or issue me with a licence, then the claims by some that they have the right to ask me to remove things from my site or take legal action against me don't hold any water and if as someone said, they or their reps view this site regularly then why haven't they said something here...

Cloanto are more then welcome to get in touch with me anytime now, or when the items are up on my site to either ask me to remove them or if they so wish, to attempt to pursue legal action but they had better be able to prove to me that it is their property they are asking me to remove. If not then any polite request or legal challenges will be dealt with appropriately...

@ Bloodline

You know the Tax fiddle thing was a joke, but to answer your query about supporting AROS then the answer is no, as it's simply something I don't have a use for or need, so sorry but I don't give my money away to things that hold no interest for me...

[commodorejohn]

@Franko to be Frank with you (excuse the pun), the best idea is to just support the AROS68k project. It already has compatibility with AmigaOS 1.3 through to 3.1, and is getting better everyday...

Saying "just support AROS instead" is completely missing the point. What we have here is a group of crooks who vultured the rights to software they didn't even make, software that is crucial to the operation of a 68k Amiga. They've locked up that software and licensed it to one company that doesn't even make it available outside of a compilation product that many of us don't want.

AROS 68k is a fine and noble effort, but even when it gets to the point that it's self-hosting, that still won't change the fact that the real Amiga system software (not some application program, the software needed to run the computer) is locked up by a passel of thieves and scoundrels.