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Offline Franko

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #74 from previous page: April 28, 2011, 06:07:03 PM »
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Why don't you ask Ben of Hyperion then?


Give me this "Bens" contact details and I'll gladly ask him, though I doubt from what I have read by others that he owns nothing more than licences to use certain trademarks and sell software under licence... :)

I really want to know who actually owns all the IP/TradeMarks/Copyright and has the power to issue licenses and rights to the likes of A.Inc & Hyperion and "They who shall remain nameless". That to me would be the guilty party behind all these years of BS and dragging the Amiga & Commodore names through the dirt... ;)
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #75 on: April 28, 2011, 06:54:26 PM »
The IP is dead, there is no more Amiga IP, it's well past 17 years on everything.  The Trademark is legally registered in the US and EU, but outside of those places, especially non-Madrid protocol countries the name is fair game.  Amiga Inc registered a trademark in Australia in 2006...
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2011, 07:14:18 PM »
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That's the whole point though, is it piracy if whomever allegedly owns the stuff couldn't care less about these things being free to download on numerous sites on the web...

Yes. You know that someone owns the copyright & that you don't have permission to distribute it.
 
What you're basically asking is "is it illegal, if you get away with it?"
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2011, 07:18:55 PM »
http://aminet.net/package/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks

Current trademarks as compiled by Christoph Gutjahr.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #78 on: April 28, 2011, 07:19:55 PM »
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Yes. You know that someone owns the copyright & that you don't have permission to distribute it.
 
What you're basically asking is "is it illegal, if you get away with it?"


Erm... wrong again I don't know for a fact that someone owns the copyright as no-one has so far given conclusive proof that they do... :)

And not I'm not asking if it's illegal if you get away with it either...

If you know for a fact who own the the copyrights etc.. post the proof here for all to see... ;)
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2011, 07:20:47 PM »
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http://aminet.net/package/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks

Current trademarks as compiled by Christoph Gutjahr.

Try and remember trademarks and copyrights are different. Trademarks have set expiration dates.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #80 on: April 28, 2011, 07:21:09 PM »
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The IP is dead, there is no more Amiga IP, it's well past 17 years on everything.  The Trademark is legally registered in the US and EU, but outside of those places, especially non-Madrid protocol countries the name is fair game.  Amiga Inc registered a trademark in Australia in 2006...


I would think that The only way to really clear it up is to track down everyone that could even possibly have any connection to Amiga, and have each of them "relicense" all Amiga copyrights with a BSD style license.  Key would be to make sure that the copyrights they are licensing are worded broad enough to include anything and everything Amiga related.  We don't have to worry about Patents, as those have all expired anyway.

I say BSD instead of GPL because all of the source might not even be available, and it would mean that they wouldn't have to break any up stream owners/licenses.   Basically give the the out of "donating" whatever they may have, even if they don't know they have it.  Once you have made it to the end of the chain, AmigaOS is free.  Until then, you at least remove a bunch the elements in the debate over who owns it.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #81 on: April 28, 2011, 07:30:05 PM »
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I would think that The only way to really clear it up is to track down everyone that could even possibly have any connection to Amiga, and have each of them "relicense" all Amiga copyrights with a BSD style license.  Key would be to make sure that the copyrights they are licensing are worded broad enough to include anything and everything Amiga related.  We don't have to worry about Patents, as those have all expired anyway.

I say BSD instead of GPL because all of the source might not even be available, and it would mean that they wouldn't have to break any up stream owners/licenses.   Basically give the the out of "donating" whatever they may have, even if they don't know they have it.  Once you have made it to the end of the chain, AmigaOS is free.  Until then, you at least remove a bunch the elements in the debate over who owns it.

OR, we leave it rest where it is. Maintain and a reasonably cordial relationship with Hyperion where they don't attack AROS or MorphOS and we all work together.
Probably not going to happen, but a more realistic solution than asking the current claimants of the IP to give up their property rights.
I'm beginning to regret starting this thread because it will lead to contention and that isn't likely to foster any good.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2011, 08:01:00 PM »
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OR, we leave it rest where it is. Maintain and a reasonably cordial relationship with Hyperion where they don't attack AROS or MorphOS and we all work together.


I think this is exactly what Hyperion is trying to do, but some other people don't seem to be able to let it rest ...

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #83 on: April 28, 2011, 09:12:16 PM »
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I think this is exactly what Hyperion is trying to do, but some other people don't seem to be able to let it rest ...

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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #84 on: April 28, 2011, 09:47:45 PM »
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Oh, if that's the whole point then let me clear it up for you.

Yes, it is piracy.


Not in Iran it isn't. Nor is it "piracy" in many other jurisdictions either.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #85 on: April 28, 2011, 10:33:27 PM »
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Not in Iran it isn't. Nor is it "piracy" in many other jurisdictions either.
Actually, if you steal something... Then it is piracy, regardless of the lack of laws to protect it.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #86 on: April 28, 2011, 10:36:15 PM »
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Actually, if you steal something... Then it is piracy, regardless of the lack of laws to protect it.

Providing download links of software is not stealing according to the laws of Iran, The Netherlands and many many other countries.
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #87 on: April 28, 2011, 10:41:45 PM »
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Providing download links of software is not stealing according to the laws of Iran, The Netherlands and many many other countries.
I see, so if I show someone where you hide the key to the back door of your house, then I have done nothing wrong, when that person robs your DVD player and poops on your kitchen table ;)
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #88 on: April 28, 2011, 10:45:15 PM »
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I see, so if I show someone where you hide the key to the back door of your house, then I have done nothing wrong, when that person robs your DVD player and poops on your kitchen table ;)

False analogy Matt.

Question.

Is using another company's registered Trademarks stealing?
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Re: Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?
« Reply #89 on: April 28, 2011, 10:50:53 PM »
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I see, so if I show someone where you hide the key to the back door of your house, then I have done nothing wrong, when that person robs your DVD player and poops on your kitchen table ;)


In legal terms no there is no law forbidding you to point out to someone where something is, morally... well that depends on the individuals morals... ;)

Anyway if your daft enough to leave a key for your house "hidden" outside then it would be you're own stupid fault if you got burgled and pooped on... :)
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