Is Amiga Inc's claim to AOS valid?

[Franko]

I see, so if I show someone where you hide the key to the back door of your house, then I have done nothing wrong, when that person robs your DVD player and poops on your kitchen table

In legal terms no there is no law forbidding you to point out to someone where something is, morally... well that depends on the individuals morals...

Anyway if your daft enough to leave a key for your house "hidden" outside then it would be you're own stupid fault if you got burgled and pooped on...

[bloodline]

False analogy Matt.

Not sure it is a false analogy.

The link is showing someone how and where to steal something. I'm thinking quite generically here as I'm personally affected by Copyright theft so my view might be a bit different to most people here.

Don't get me wrong, I think big content providers abuse the copyright laws for their own good... But I want to make it clear that stealing is still stealing regardless of the item being stolen.

Question.

Is using another company's registered Trademarks stealing?

No, that is fraud. You are passing one product off as another.

[dammy]

False analogy Matt.

Question.

Is using another company's registered Trademarks stealing?

No, that's devaluing the trademark.  Copying software or data is stealing.

[Belial6]

I see, so if I show someone where you hide the key to the back door of your house, then I have done nothing wrong, when that person robs your DVD player and poops on your kitchen table

Bad analogy, but I'll play.

As long as you make an exact copy, leaving my copy intact, and take your new copy of my house to your property and do it there...  Have at it.

And copyright violation is as much "Stealing" as making a bad sequel to a movie that is part of my inner child is "Child Molestation".

"Piracy" is a poor euphemism for copyright violation.  "Stealing" is a ridiculous one.

[nicholas]

No, that is fraud. You are passing one product off as another.

Well I own the registered trademarks for Commodore and Amiga in Iran and most other Muslim majority countries (and a few others too).

Amiga Inc/C-USA own them in the USA and most other secular countries.

Who is fraudulently using those marks?

[Gulliver]

You are mixing definitions:

Stealing is when you deprive goods from its rightfull owner in an unlawfull manner.

Copyright infrigement is when you just copy what other people have created disregarding the legal authorization and/or monetary compensation required.

Piracy is what those damn Somali pirates have been doing at the sea.


As an example, in my country it is ilegal to sell copied DVD movies, but you can download and use your own copy from the internet without being prosecuted. Legal problems only arise if you intend to commercially profit from that act.

[bloodline]

In legal terms no there is no law forbidding you to point out to someone where something is, morally... well that depends on the individuals morals...

So what if instead of showing the man where the key was hidden, I took it myself, made a copy and then gave the man a copy of your key?

Anyway if your daft enough to leave a key for your house "hidden" outside then it would be you're own stupid fault if you got burgled and pooped on...

How about if you gave me your key so I could help you do some work in your house... I then made a copy of that key and gave it to Mr poopie robber, then returned your key back to you?

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[nicholas]

You are mixing definitions:

Stealing is when you deprive goods from its rightfull owner in an unlawfull manner.

Copyright infrigement is when you just copy what other people have created disregarding the legal authorization and/or monetary compensation required.

Piracy is what those damn Somali pirates have been doing at the sea.


As an example, in my country it is ilegal to sell copied DVD movies, but you can download and use your own copy from the internet without being prosecuted. Legal problems only arise if you intend to commercially profit from that act.

+1 for Argentina!

[Franko]

So what if instead of showing the man where the key was hidden, I took it myself, made a copy and then gave the man a copy of your key?

Then you would be guilty of theft for nicking the key in the first place and most likely aiding and abetting by supplying the tea leaf with the copy of the key...

How about if you gave me your key so I could help you do some work in your house... I then made a copy of that key and gave it to Mr poopie robber, then returned your key back to you?

You think I'd trust some old ex-rock star with me key, let alone let him do some work in me house... no chance matey...

It's not the burglar I'd be worried about, it would be coming home to find the place trashed after one of your wild sex, drugs & rock n roll (and Socks) parties I'd be scared about... :eek:

[actung_bab]

Wouldn't matter in the rest of world what laws the USA has passed, and even if there is such a law those claiming to own the IP would first have to prove that they did own it and somehow I don't think A.Inc would be in a position to do so...

Yes theres the law whats the saying the laws a ass
apprently theres still law in New Zealand where alowable to pee in public through a waggon wheel

But too me theres the law and then theres moral rights and decentcy

TO me we should not be posting roms imgages for open dl
and anyway l never seen thses sites i always had to asl privatly and whats wrong with that

Look at the playstation 3 mess with there network i wasint going metion this here as in past people be supporting thse so called "hackers" criminals l call them or criminals in
in training

banging on they always got grudge or excuse for there lack moral behavour
oh sony took other os feature they took it out because they used to try hack into
the ps3

back to amiga anything with its okay to do what u like is on sliperly slope
we dont need it when we got legitmate companys working to bring back they amiga
brand

99 % time people good but only takes on dickhead to spoil it for everone
so from eprson thats chould had his personally information stolen and cant even play
or acesss his online games hes brought down with people just doing there own thing
willy nilley

[actung_bab]

Yes. You know that someone owns the copyright & that you don't have permission to distribute it.
 
What you're basically asking is "is it illegal, if you get away with it?"

plus 1

100 % right thats always there ethos we can do so its right not saying this about you franko ur good guy i see where u coming from too

[actung_bab]

Erm... wrong again I don't know for a fact that someone owns the copyright as no-one has so far given conclusive proof that they do...

And not I'm not asking if it's illegal if you get away with it either...

If you know for a fact who own the the copyrights etc.. post the proof here for all to see...

I think that whoukl well truly been gone over in the so called court case or did it get that
far as technically wasint sorted out with lawers well before hand it never reached the judge am talking about amiga inc half assed atempt like all they thing they do.

[actung_bab]

It may come down to who has a liability claim against Commodore Business Machines, Inc. and Commodore-Amiga, Inc.



They never had money as far as I can tell. What was Hyperion's contract price? Something like $10,000 wasn't it?
Personally, I think the documentation speaks for itself.
The German transfer is questionable (occurring after CBM went bankrupt) thus nullifying the 2007 transfer.

In short, the property was never legally acquired by anyone after CBM folded.

In Mr. Jens Schoenfeld's words, "Face it guys, the 'Amiga curse' is not about the Amiga. It's about the people who supposedly own the rights."

God, i love that quote from Jens.

a where unimous in that this hehe

Yep call in karma but totally belive if you act out greed and do wrong things it affects you
personally u go onto act these beliefs in your personall life as well.
You may gain money wise or not in case amiga inc not so far as we know ?

[mongo]

That's your opinion and your entitled to it but I beg to differ on the matter...

So I'm afraid your "opinion" doesn't clear it up for me...

It's not my opinion, it's a fact.

Erm... wrong again I don't know for a fact that someone owns the copyright as no-one has so far given conclusive proof that they do...

Has the copyright expired? No? Than someone owns it. It doesn't really matter if you know who they are or not.

[nicholas]

It's not my opinion, it's a fact.



Has the copyright expired? No? Than someone owns it. It doesn't really matter if you know who they are or not.

That isn't strictly true.

If the copyrights were not transferred from Commodore to a third party by the liquidators there is the very real possibility that they are currently unassigned, as Commodore as a legal entity no longer exists.

[dammy]

In legal terms no there is no law forbidding you to point out to someone where something is, morally... well that depends on the individuals morals...

There might be a law actually, depending on a few things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29