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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #284 from previous page: April 04, 2011, 05:56:25 PM »
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Not if they're doing what I've read so far, putting generic x86 motherboards in vaguely Amiga-ish cases and calling it an Amiga.

There's nothing else to put in there. Custom hardware would only ensure that it's underpowered, overpriced, outdated and late to market several years. I see we're still learning lessons from the early 90s.
BTW, I love custom hardware as much as anyone else here. I just do not live in a fantasy where it will ever be a viable option with current technology. That's why it only makes sense as a hobby, a low cost hobby, preferably. So I'll get myself a classic 68K amiga and enjoy in the "customness" of the design.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #285 on: April 04, 2011, 05:56:42 PM »
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the truth is that the New Beetle was nothing special(Golf mk4 platform, pretty shabby plastics

Exactly and don't forget the 20-30% mark up compared to the Golf. It was not a very good car for the price, yet VW couldn't keep them on the lot they sold so fast.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #286 on: April 04, 2011, 06:02:29 PM »
Wow, 17 pages in a few days! Can we say "hot topic"?

What would be the name of the order if Amiga was a religion?
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #287 on: April 04, 2011, 06:03:17 PM »
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I wonder what these numbers will be after people start opening their TRON DVD?






It seems that some people are already getting their Tron DVDs. Numbers are climbing fast.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #288 on: April 04, 2011, 06:04:23 PM »
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There's nothing else to put in there. Custom hardware would only ensure that it's underpowered, overpriced, outdated and late to market several years. I see we're still learning lessons from the early 90s.
BTW, I love custom hardware as much as anyone else here. I just do not live in a fantasy where it will ever be a viable option with current technology. That's why it only makes sense as a hobby, a low cost hobby, preferably. So I'll get myself a classic 68K amiga and enjoy in the "customness" of the design.

Then if you want to be taken seriously as an Amiga, do what Apple have done, or what Commodore would have done.  Redevelop the Amiga OS and platform for the X86, make sure it does things the Amiga way, base it on something else if you have to, but make sure the platform holds the Amiga values, does things the Amiga way and has the spirit of the Amiga, include embedded emulation layers like Apple did with OSX to run classic apps transparently.  Innovate and carry forward the values the brand held.  Shoving an off-the-shelf PC in a custom case and shoving Ubuntu or Windows on it is not even vaguely Amiga-like.

Heck even if the original plan of putting money into AROS was carried on, I'd have been happier, but it would have taken a huge budget to get apps developed and get it to modern standards, which is probably not feasible, so don't bother.

The Amiga was a platform, not just a brand of IBM PC compatibles.  If there's no money/time to run the Amiga platform or a development of it on this machine, then you're not going to be taken for anything more than bastardizing the name for a quick buck, that's why Amiga fans take offence.

The same as Mac fans would feel if you starting selling rebadged Dells as Macs.

There was a reason we chose the Amiga over the PC/Mac in the first place, because we loved the way it did things, liked its style.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #289 on: April 04, 2011, 06:10:52 PM »
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Then if you want to be taken seriously as an Amiga, do what Apple have done, or what Commodore would have done.  Redevelop the Amiga OS and platform for the X86, make sure it does things the Amiga way, build an alternative platform that holds the Amiga values and spirit of the Amiga.  Innovate and carry forward the values the brand held.  Shoving an off-the-shelf PC in a custom case and shoving Ubuntu or Windows on it is not even vaguely Amiga-like.

This is exactly what is planned. Mind you, C=USA would have NOTHING against Hyperion doing a x86 port(hell, they may even be prepared to pay for it) and selling it with C=USA Amigas. The ball is on Hyperion's court....
But for now the plan is to use Linux as a base. That could change in the future but I really don't see why is this getting so much negativity. It's pretty much the same what Gateway had in mind and it was a good plan back then and remains to this day.

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Heck even if the original plan of putting money into AROS was carried on, I'd have been happier, but it would have taken a huge budget to get apps developed and get it to modern standards, which is probably not feasible, so don't bother.
Blame A.Inc and Hyperion settlement on that.

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The Amiga was a platform, not just a brand of IBM PC compatibles.  If there's no money/time to run the Amiga platform or a development of it on this machine, then you're not going to be taken for anything more than bastardizing the name for a quick buck, that's why Amiga fans take offence.
quick buck? Well, tell you what... If Barry was asking yours and mine money up front for his machines I'd be there with you... since he's risking his own money and probably a lot of it in the face of SERIOUS uncertainty I wouldn't call this a quick buck business.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #290 on: April 04, 2011, 06:15:59 PM »
Best car analogy?

Tata T603



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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #291 on: April 04, 2011, 06:16:47 PM »
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This is exactly what is planned. Mind you, C=USA would have NOTHING against Hyperion doing a x86 port(hell, they may even be prepared to pay for it) and selling it with C=USA Amigas. The ball is on Hyperion's court....
But for now the plan is to use Linux as a base. That could change in the future but I really don't see why is this getting so much negativity. It's pretty much the same what Gateway had in mind and it was a good plan back then and remains to this day.
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So far all I'm hearing is something like Ubuntu with an Amiga-like skin, which is nowhere near even close.  OS 4 is fine for us hobbyists but it's not good enough to be a mainstream OS today.  

Using Linux as a core for a new OS is fine if you're being serious about developing an AmigaOS, which does things the Amiga way (C, DEVS, S etc.) is polished and has included transparent emulation layers, uses AmigaDOS commands etc. then you have my interest.

If CUSA are really developing a next gen Amiga OS which will be a platform of it's own, then of course it would have most of our support, but so far all we're hearing is it will be a generic PC in an Amiga-ish case at most with Ubuntu with an Amiga-look-a-like GNOME skin.

If it's going to be like the C64x effort, free Linux distro with VICE or similar thrown in, then that's just nowhere near good enough to warrant doing this.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #292 on: April 04, 2011, 06:17:13 PM »
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That little machine gave me some of the happiest and most creative years of my life, and it breaks my heart to.........


I feel your pain; I really do. I can just imagine how you would feel if a REAL tragedy befell you. I can think of many: the death of a loved one, financial ruin, illness, too many to innumerate, and none which I would wish on my worst enemy. But what you are really describing is analogous to loosing your first love, and I am not referring to your old computer toys. Most of us have experienced the inevitable breakup of our first girlfriend or boyfriend. It was horrible...really horrible. You could never imagine yourself happy again. But guess what..time heals those wounds, and most of us move on, still remembering those moments, but still able to love again..and love another. As much, but not the same, of course.  I'm married to a shrink....and it gives me the advantage to see what maybe some of you are afraid to face. For those of you who feel so overwhelmed by all of this, talk to someone, and maybe get a handle on the problem. You may not see it, but this extreme over reacting is really not healthy, and is indicative of a somewhat aberrant behavioral problem. Send me a signed note from your therapist, and receive a free T-shirt.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #293 on: April 04, 2011, 06:17:21 PM »
People keep talking about 'Custom Graphics Chips'.  There were no 'Custom Graphics Chips'.  That is just what we called GPUs back then.  Now, every PC comes with them.  Sometimes they have been integrated back into the same die, buy they are still there.  Heck, the C64x is using ION graphics.  That means that it is in fact a separate graphics chip.  If Amiga had actual 'custom' graphics chips, each of us would have one that was made just for us, and that would truly suck.  The proper way to describe the Amiga's graphics chips is to say that the Amiga had "proprietary graphics chips".
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #294 on: April 04, 2011, 06:22:09 PM »
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So far all I'm hearing is something like Ubuntu with an Amiga-like skin, which is nowhere near even close.  OS 4 is fine for us hobbyists but it's not good enough to be a mainstream OS today.  

Ubuntu will be sold with early C64x because the C=OS is not ready. All those who bought these early C64x will be mailed C=OS when it's out. That's the only mention of Ubuntu for now.

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Using Linux as a core for a new OS is fine if you're being serious about developing an AmigaOS, which does things the Amiga way (C, DEVS, S etc.) is polished and has included transparent emulation layers, uses AmigaDOS commands etc. then you have my interest.
They're pretty serious. As far as I know, they're in talk with several technology companies. So you might just get your wish of some custom hardware inside. I do not know their exact plans for the OS, though.

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If CUSA are really developing a next gen Amiga OS which will be a platform of it's own, then of course it would have most of our support, but so far all we're hearing is it will be a generic PC in an Amiga-ish case at most with Ubuntu with an Amiga-look-a-like GNOME skin.
Well, not much officially has been said over the development of the OS. However, some of us have been informed of the general direction they'd like to follow... and I do not get the impression they want to do a generic PC in an Amiga-ish case with Ubuntu and some Amiga skins.



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Maybe some more details are needed here?
I agree with you there and we'll probably hear some more details on the future plans and products in the coming months.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #295 on: April 04, 2011, 06:24:12 PM »

 
Dave Haynie likes Commodore USA, LLC. I guess Dave Haynie is a CUSA fanboy and not a real Amigan?
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #296 on: April 04, 2011, 06:25:19 PM »
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This is exactly what is planned. Mind you, C=USA would have NOTHING against Hyperion doing a x86 port(hell, they may even be prepared to pay for it) and selling it with C=USA Amigas. The ball is on Hyperion's court....

Blame A.Inc and Hyperion settlement on that.



Sorry to [snip] in order to tie these two ideas together.
But claiming the ball is on (in) Hyperion's court whilst implying there is something in the settlement that prevents such a thing from taking place is somewhat confusing.
If I'm misreading you, please clarify.

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #297 on: April 04, 2011, 06:27:06 PM »
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I feel your pain; I really do. I can just imagine how you would feel if a REAL tragedy befell you. I can think of many: the death of a loved one, financial ruin, illness, too many to innumerate, and none which I would wish on my worst enemy. But what you are really describing is analogous to loosing your first love, and I am not referring to your old computer toys. Most of us have experienced the inevitable breakup of our first girlfriend or boyfriend. It was horrible...really horrible. You could never imagine yourself happy again. But guess what..time heals those wounds, and most of us move on, still remembering those moments, but still able to love again..and love another. As much, but not the same, of course.  I'm married to a shrink....and it gives me the advantage to see what maybe some of you are afraid to face. For those of you who feel so overwhelmed by all of this, talk to someone, and maybe get a handle on the problem. You may not see it, but this extreme over reacting is really not healthy, and is indicative of a somewhat aberrant behavioral problem. Send me a signed note from your therapist, and receive a free T-shirt.


What a nice patronising reply.  However it does seem that you don't understand/were not an Amiga fan from your reply, and have totally misunderstood this market.

I've lost family members and several relationships over the years, of course it's not the same on any scale.  

However my years using the Amiga were the years I first explored music making, 3d rendering, graphics, animation, video production, coding, gaming, the machine I first got on-line with, the machine that really sparked my interest in computing on a deeper level and most of the things I do for a career today started on the Amiga, it awoke my creative side in many ways, so yes I do hold the machine dear.  

It seems obvious the Amiga never touched you in such a way, hence your plan to just use it's name on any old worthless tat.

Read what other people who were passionate about the Amiga have said to try and get an understanding of what the platform means to many of us, Jim Sachs would be a good start:

"While other computers were mere appliances, the Amiga fired the imaginations of its owners."

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54970&highlight=sachs

For me this was true, hence the reason I'm still interested in the platform 20 years on, if you're taking any passion out of the technology and it's just a brand to slap on any old computer, then of course, who gives a shit?  However to many of us here, the Amiga means more than it does to you.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #298 on: April 04, 2011, 06:27:55 PM »
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Sorry to [snip] in order to tie these two ideas together.
But claiming the ball is on (in) Hyperion's court whilst implying there is something in the settlement that prevents such a thing from taking place is somewhat confusing.
If I'm misreading you, please clarify.

#6

I'm just saying it's up to Hyperion if they would like to join this adventure of not.

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Dave Haynie likes Commodore USA, LLC. I guess Dave Haynie is a CUSA fanboy and not a real Amigan?    

Dave's the man. I had a look at his interests, what a man(I'm saying this ina  strictly non sexual way :lol:) and what a life! :)
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #299 on: April 04, 2011, 06:28:11 PM »
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Sorry to [snip] in order to tie these two ideas together.
But claiming the ball is on (in) Hyperion's court whilst implying there is something in the settlement that prevents such a thing from taking place is somewhat confusing.
If I'm misreading you, please clarify.

#6


As much as I enjoy using OS 4, it's not an OS that could be taken seriously as a mainstream OS without a LOT of work, same with MorphOS/AROS in their current guises.