Amount of MorphOS copies sold

[antikk]

Os4 is not an offshoot of os3. It's a continued work from os3.

[Iggy]

Os4 is not an offshoot of os3. It's a continued work from os3.

Well, since they've already used v3.9, I guess they had to move to 4.0 (then 4.1).

And it does force the ISA change (which actually makes sense to me).

MorphOS is moving from 2.7 to 3.0 with far less drastic change.

[antikk]

Version numbering is just numbers, but AmigaOS4 is still AmigaOS.
Oh, and they could have used v3.10->99 aswell. But i guess going from 68k to ppc they felt like that was agood reason to bump to v4.

[Lando]

Os4 is not an offshoot of os3. It's a continued work from os3.

It's neither an offshoot nor a continued work.

"Exec SG was completely rewritten from scratch and from the ground up" (Ben Hermans, Hyperion, September 2002)

Now, "completely rewritten from scratch" can only be interpreted one way - that nothing, not a single line of code, remains from OS3.x (as if 68k assembly and BCPL would have been of any use anyway).  There is nothing that makes OS4 any more of a continuation of OS3 than MorphOS or Aros other than the name.

[Matt_H]

Near-total code rewrites between major releases are not uncommon in the software world. Commodore themselves eliminated huge amounts of BCPL between 1.x and 3.x and the "authenticity" of those versions certainly isn't in question.

[Lurch]

Instead of playing a school playground game of who's penis is bigger why not do something positive?

Who cares about classic vs morph os/amiga os etc....

Nostalgia is the biggest thing that brings most people back to the Amiga. My Amiga 500 plus sits nearby.

I have decided to try Morphos to see what amiga ng (as people call it) is all about. Why morphos, I can afford to. Although the $170+ NZD for a license is something I'll really need to think about.

But $50 for an old Power Mac G4 I can afford, and recently I purchased one. If I was to win lotto (lottery) and have millions I'd be looking at an Amiga OS 4 system. Why, because I'd rather have an actual Amiga badged machine than a Mac (hate macs).

Will be modding the G4 case, removing apples is my goal. Missed out on some commodore atx pc cases recently, still kicking myself over that

Amiga should be, affordable, ground breaking and a joy to use. If I can find something like that and be able to play my old Amiga games seamlessly then I'm sold.

[amigadave]

This is TakeMeHomeGrandma's way of promoting MorphOS to gain more users and make friends.

Is it any wonder why there aren't more MorphOS users after 10+ years of developing it, even when it was free for the first several years?

Of course it is not just the MorphOS users who are responsible for all the fighting, as it has been going on for many years and has roots at every level, from the very top people at Hyperion against the top people on the MorphOS side, all the way down to users who maybe haven't even been using either one for very long.

The fighting has been going on for so long, it is habit or tradition by now.  I am not even sure it can be stopped, though some have tried.

I am too tired of it all to even try to stop it any more, so have at it and enjoy yourselves.

It is a shame though, as it only hurts both sides (OS4.x & MorphOS) from gaining more users, as many original Amiga users, either current or former users, get so turned off by all this nonsense that they avoid even looking at either choice.

That is what disappoints me, is the loss of potential users and developers that could join one or both of the PPC Next Generation systems.

[hooligan]

@AmigaDave

I don't remember if I told this here or at mz.org before but I repeat myself: why would any sane person give a flying f about some individuals loud opinions? I would sort of understand if some people avoid certain operating system due to incidences like for example the Bill Buck-show many years back, but not when it's just a normal user shouting out loud.

This ain't North Korea, one can actually utilise their brain.

[OlafS3]

yessss... and MorphOS is the best anyway and all 68k users are retro and Aros is years behind... then we have the typical "fight" phrases again. I would say to this... noone cares if AmigaOS uses 68k code or somehow descents from AOS3. All OSs descent from OS3 (API-Level) so what do you want to proof with it? In the next moment some of the MorphOS fans hit back that MorphOS is the best in all areas and we are in fighting again. It would be better to accept that all choices are equal and we discuss how we can improve the situation. Or both AOS4 users and MorphOS users are happy to fight till both platforms are finally dead (and that is only a question of time). I am not and I am not interested in this silly arguments!

[OlafS3]

You underestimate how even individuals influence atmosphere (expecially if there is already heated atmosphere between the camps). And to my biggest regret even some of the core developers are participating there.

[drHirudo]

@hooligan

It's not a single individual!

When an AmigaOS 4 news appears especially on this very site, usually the first few replies are by MorphOS people, who post crap on the news way before the AmigaOS 4 users have the time to acknowledge, release and express their opinions.

It's not a single individual, it's a bunch (or shall I call them a crew) of people who will talk crap on any project whatever it is. It's that kind of attitude that turns people down.
It turned me down posting on AmigaOS 4 threads here, because the conversation most usually gets polluted by the same people again and again, involving other OSes even if they were never mentioned before, or being welcome to post at all.

[Duce]

@ Hooligan

I quit counting at 7 people that I spoke to that said they were so put off from TMHG's MOS propaganda (on A.org specifically) they won't register MOS.  I imagine most are running Linux on their PPC mac's now, or stuck with OSX.  

I'm one of them, x2 - 2 Mac Mini's.  In a small community, one loudmouthed guy that creates statistics and "facts" is just another moron in the scene I won't pay to be a part of a gong show.  We heard it all...  Hyperion was charging for all 4.1 cycle updates - false.  u2 didn't work for anyone at all - false.  Microsoft charged for all in cycle service packs, ALWAYS!  And that makes the 2.7 to 3.0 free jump for MOS the bees knees!  More bull****.  Fabrications and lies.  The only claims not made was AROS causes abortions and the X1000 caused the holocaust from this guy.  BUT MAN, THERE WAS A BAR GRAPH!!!111!!11!! TMHG is your "Dammy".  Enjoy.  LOL.

Think of it this way, like I do.  I'm an open minded guy, willing to listen to anyones opinions.  After 6 weeks of the Jehovah's Witnesses showing up every 4 days trying to convert me by hammering on the door at 8 AM on my day off, even if I was even interested in what they had to say - no.  Just no, lol - get the eff off my lawn, I ain't buying what you are selling.

The dude seems to be your product evangelist, and I'm all for people being 110% enthusiastic about the products they use.  However, you ask why people would avoid a product that has people passing off bull**** as fact?
It's a small community, whether it be MOS, AROS, or AOS.  I ain't paying 100 euros to register MorphOS to listen to horseplop from fanboys like some of these guys if I need support from "official" forums.  Bad enough having the Gospel crammed in your craw here.

Note:  I am not singling out MOS - I'm well aware all camps have their people like this, even back in the days of BBS'ing there was heated debate like this about "factions".  However, back then it was a bit different - to use a computer, you had to know your ****.  Picking a platform said a lot about who you were and how you conducted yourself, but in this day and age in such a minuscule community as the Amiga community - the divisional clownshow gets real old.

[OlafS3]

I do not want to defend MorphOS users (I use Aros and 68k) but it is not only the MorphOS camp. I can post a link to a thread on amigaworld with a discussion regarding Timberwolf. Some asked how it can be that a Firefox port is closed source and some of the core developers saw a attack in that, popped and hit back using words that should not be used by representatives of a company. I was shocked reading that (the discussion before was not insulting before). So both sides are wrong.

[hooligan]

@hooligan
It's not a single individual!

Individual, individuals. Doesn't matter.

If 10 Audi fans tell you Mercedes Benz is crap will you base your carpurchase upon their opinion or your own?
If 10 Mac fans tell you Mac laptop is the best thing since sliced bread will you base your laptop purchase upon their opinion or your own?
if 10 vegetarians tell you meat is bad and you should drop it will you base your future eatinghabit based on their or your own opinion?

In all examples above any sane person would ignore the ten people and make up their own minds.


I don't know if I look at this from a bit different point of view than some others.... I have gone through it all.. Spectrum vs C64 (those dozens of c64 trolls never made me switch from Speccy btw! :-) , Amiga vs Atari.. Amiga vs Pc.. AmigaOS vs MorphOS... and so on.

[hooligan]

@Duce

I agree with you, but we are talking about your hobby. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not the most important thing in your life, it doesn't have to be taken seriously.. it shouldn't be taken seriously. Let the dogs bark and enjoy your own ride, which ever road you chose.

[Duce]

If 10 "Brand X" fanatics in a general, non Brand X community spam and tell tall tales at every general purpose community site with personal agenda backing it, to the point it is a pain in the ass - do you not see why it would turn some people off "Brand X" product?

I have choices - I didn't (and won't) buy Brand X's product, and I quit following any of their forums despite the fact they have a super product.  I won't pay reg fees for the pleasure of that type of community.  I'll never get another PM or email haranguing me about my choices in OS for a platform that the world forgot about 20 years ago.  Too much BS for a hobby.

The Amiga isn't Audi, lol.  You are missing the point.  My Audi effs up, my Macbook effs up - I phone Audi/Apple, take them into a service dep't.  A completely silly comparison in scope.  If I buy an OS4 rig, at some point I will need to get involved with the community.  Same for AROS.  Same for MOS.  Niche market, no support to speak of other than community.  It's not a matter of listening to loudmouths, it's a matter of being forced to be in the same pen with said loudmouths once you pick your team.  I won't pay for that pleasure, red, blue, green or whatever color.

If I buy into "Brand X OS", Brand X OS being a niche OS, I *WILL* at some time need to get involved with community forums.  I will.  Period - there's no 1-800 number to call for Tech Support.

EDIT:  When the dogs are barking so loudly they send PM's, emails, or insults for your personal choices or comments in a hobby community - it's hard not to listen to those barking dogs.