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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #164 from previous page: March 13, 2012, 08:28:12 PM »
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I fully understands how talking about user numbers in the hundreds (or below) is provoking to some, but the key term is *user* (not participator in the AW.net social club), and to quote myself from *a year ago* in this thread: "If the numbers seems disappointing to some people, I think they may have had an unrealistic view of the overall 'state of the nation'."



Fine. No how about you present a plan to correct that situation, now that we've completed the 11 page adventure to reach that obvious conclusion.

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #165 on: March 13, 2012, 08:48:54 PM »
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of course there is a lot of morphos users. when you have to get a new registration for each new mac you have if you want to use morphos. so these morphos users have a lot of old macs laying around the house for each morphos upgrade(maybe also include the pegasus1&2 from way back). the true numbers of active users (not people that just want to test and then forget about morphos) is more likely around 100 or less totally.


That is your offer to this discussion, really? :insane:
 

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #166 on: March 13, 2012, 08:49:37 PM »
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Fine. No how about you present a plan to correct that situation, now that we've completed the 11 page adventure to reach that obvious conclusion.

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1. Write a replacement for ExecSG. This allows for step #2.

2. Get rid of the Friedens. They don't like the community that they themselves formed, and so are a liability at this point. Plenty of recent examples here (and more where this came from):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35175&forum=32&start=220&viewmode=flat&order=0

3. Stop pretending that OS4 is somehow a continuation of AmigaOS, and name it something inoffensive like "HyperionOS".

4. Hyperion, come up with actual attainable features that make sense and are wanted, come up with a real plan to implement those features, make a commitment to follow that plan, and produce actual results. No more "whatever Rogue felt like working on this month".

5. Stop pretending that OS4 needs to remain on PPC for "backwards compatibility". It's already not compatible with AmigaOS programs, those applications run in a JIT or under emulation. Create a REAL HAL so it can be truly portable, and stop tying to boat anchor hardware.


Hmm, actually looking at this list it seems to be what MorphOS has been doing all along.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #167 on: March 13, 2012, 09:02:41 PM »
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We have a fixed number of MorphOS registrations. This is number is not a guess at all.


The fixed number of registrations is not a guess, but the interpretation of how many users there are based on these registration numbers is. If you want to improve the accuracy of your information, follow my previous advice:
"go back to whomever handles the MorphOS registrations and ask them how many serial keys have been sent out through unique email addresses."

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We also have a fixed number of Timberwolf downloads, no guess at all there either.


Yes, again we do have numbers of Timberwolf downloads. Again, the guess is in how these numbers are interpreted to find out something else.

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coming with a possible result of solve the terrible browser situation on the OS4 platform


Terrible browser situation? What are you talking about! Do you even know what MUI-OWB is? I'll give you a clue, it's very similar to a browser you know on MorphOS. Are you now saying OWB is a bad browser?

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And unlike what you are saying, this is *not* "guesses"


To use mathematical terms, what you can say is that MorphOS registrations are directly proportional to the number of MorphOS users. You can also say Timberwolf downloads are directly proportional to the number of OS4 users. However, to quantify the number of users, which you would need to do to make a direct comparison between OS4 users and MorphOS users (I'll leave AROS users out of this, as even you would probably admit 50 users was pure guesswork), you need to know the constant value that you multiply by to get the final value for users.

You've guessed 'divide by 2', that is the guess. You have no basis for choosing this number, it just 'feels' right to you. To get this number, you've used the assumptions that on average every MorphOS user has two MorphOS licenses, and you've also assumed that nearly every OS4 user has downloaded Timberwolf (twice).

I've already told you how you can improve the accuracy of the MorphOS user figures, so let's look at your OS4 assumptions. First of all, Timberwolf is still in beta and not all users want to mess with beta software, secondly not all OS4 users can run it, thirdly there is already a decent browser on OS4 that users have grown to like (MOS-OWB).

To give you another perspective, what are downloads for MPlayer on OS4 like? I'd say that's as good a gauge as Timberwolf downloads. According to OS4 Depot, the current version has been downloaded 1103 times:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/play/mplayer.lha

So why are there fewer downloads for the supposed 'holy grail' than for a media player? Perhaps Timberwolf downloads aren't as accurate a metric for total OS4 users as you'd like to make out, eh? Perhaps downloads aren't so useful a metric after all? Oh wait, I guess you'll blame this on reformatting, right, because that's such a common issue on the poorly coded OS4. :rolleyes:

As for your AROS user guess, let's not even go there, as you blatantly haven't got any chance of defending your analysis there.

With all that said, I hope you find time to understand this: I want MorphOS to do well. I benefit if MorphOS does well. If MorphOS does have double the number of users of OS4 and AROS combined, then find a way to prove it. If you can come up with better evidence, then I'll have to keep my mouth shut won't I? I never said it can't be true, all I'm getting you to do is hold yourself accountable to the stuff you say.

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #168 on: March 13, 2012, 09:08:40 PM »
I find it hilarious that anybody would seriously wonder which OS had more users. Of course MorphOS has more users. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
 

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #169 on: March 13, 2012, 09:12:21 PM »
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Of course MorphOS has more users.


But does it have 'double the users of OS4 and AROS combined'? That is what is being debated.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #170 on: March 13, 2012, 09:19:46 PM »
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But does it have 'double the users of OS4 and AROS combined'? That is what is being debated.

After long time analyzing this, thinking it through.. I have found the answer. The answer is.. "no-one knows". Hallelujah!
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #171 on: March 13, 2012, 09:24:31 PM »
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After long time analyzing this, thinking it through.. I have found the answer. The answer is.. "no-one knows". Hallelujah!


Exactly!!! That's the point I have been trying to make the whole time!!!
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #172 on: March 13, 2012, 09:31:22 PM »
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Exactly!!! That's the point I have been trying to make the whole time!!!


I know. Just wanted to shorten hundreds of posts into one line.
 

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #173 on: March 13, 2012, 09:34:58 PM »
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I know. Just wanted to shorten hundreds of posts into one line.


Thank you for doing so.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #174 on: March 13, 2012, 09:40:58 PM »
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After long time analyzing this, thinking it through.. I have found the answer. The answer is.. "no-one knows". Hallelujah!


actually, someone knows. for os4 it will be steven solie who admitted himself to know since he handles os4 registration/serial numbers. on mos someone will be handling serial numbers and licences as well, im certain. it leaves aros alone in the open as there is no centralized official distribution, and of course the classic users will forever reamain this dangerous shapeless anarchistic mass never to be brought under control, as it is their tradition..

so as conclusion: someone knows but for some reason they dont want to tell.
 

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #175 on: March 13, 2012, 09:43:24 PM »
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Yes yes I know, tongue in cheek
 

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #176 on: March 13, 2012, 10:31:40 PM »
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By all means, let's add MorphOS 1.4 users to the picture as well then...? :rolleyes: Honesty, why start counting nickles and dimes in a discussion based on approximations in the hundreds, keep it in three digit figures, or at least two digit, no need to pay attention to the one digit figures... ;)



Uhm yeah, "morphos users have a lot of old macs laying around the hose", you know, that post was so retarded that I will let it speak for itself without furhter comments...



That's great, all the power to AspireOS! :) While not really comparable to neither MorphOS nor OS4, I downloaded it myself, I take a look on those distros from time to time to see who things are going, but that doesn't make me no more "AROS" user than HenryCase's AW.net buddies *talking about* OS4 could be called "OS4 users"...


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I fully understands how talking about user numbers in the hundreds (or below) is provoking to some, but the key term is *user* (not participator in the AW.net social club), and to quote myself from *a year ago* in this thread: "If the numbers seems disappointing to some people, I think they may have had an unrealistic view of the overall 'state of the nation'."


And I own two copies of MorphOS but that doesn't make me a MorphOS user either.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #177 on: March 13, 2012, 10:53:41 PM »
What crackpipe have you been smoking lately?

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #178 on: March 13, 2012, 11:12:01 PM »
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What crackpipe have you been smoking lately?

I'd actually say that was a fair comment. I'm a MorphOS user, but I'd never insinuate that OS4 wasn't a legitimate offshoot of AmigaOS. And its the only OS that legally can be derived from OS3.1 source code.

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...the true numbers of active users (not  people that just want to test and then forget about morphos) is more  likely around 100 or less totally.

That is a REALLY stupid comment. Sure some people have multiple licenses, but I doubt they have 14 of them. And since you can try the OS for free, I'd assume that anyone ponying up 111 euros is serious about using the OS.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #179 on: March 13, 2012, 11:23:13 PM »
Os4 is not an offshoot of os3. It's a continued work from os3.