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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2011, 01:06:00 AM »
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Wow, that IS interesting. That was a pretty straight forward answer (typical of Bill Buck contrary to what many have said about him).

So there might be answer to this if someone can make sense of the firmware.
The hardware doesn't intimidate me. Can anyone let me know what chips the Efika uses. Can I assume the pads on the bottom of the board are the same as the pads the existing memory is soldered to? Are there any gates, buffers, resistors, capacitors or other components that need to be added along with the memory.
I look into the hardware, then all we need is someone who can enable the extra memory via the firmware.

I assume the board will still work OK (as a 128MB board) with the extra memory installed so maybe we ought to explore this.


If nobody gives you an answer in 3 weeks then PM me and I'll check my board.  I'm on a business trip at the moment so I don't have access to it and if I called my wife to look for me then I wouldn't trust her answer.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2011, 01:11:33 AM »
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If nobody gives you an answer in 3 weeks then PM me and I'll check my board.  I'm on a business trip at the moment so I don't have access to it and if I called my wife to look for me then I wouldn't trust her answer.

I can understand that. I can just picture trying to get my wife to identify and read the proper numbers off a board's memory myself and in my mind it comes off looking like a modernized episode of I love Lucy.

If no one PMs me, I'll get back to you. This interests me. I find it difficult to believe the memory would be hard to source.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2011, 01:21:52 AM »
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I can understand that. I can just picture trying to get my wife to identify and read the proper numbers off a board's memory myself and in my mind it comes off looking like a modernized episode of I love Lucy.

If no one PMs me, I'll get back to you. This interests me. I find it difficult to believe the memory would be hard to source.


I had a quick look online, here's the motherboard and you can see the two surface mounted RAM chips between the CPU and the IDE connector (The Samsun chips - looks like K44511638C-UCB3, but I wouldn't bet on it):
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/directron/efikaabove.jpg

Here's the reverse side with the pads for 2 additional chips:
http://www.ppcnux.de/public/efika/efika_bottom.jpg
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2011, 01:28:09 AM »
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I had a quick look online, here's the motherboard and you can see the two surface mounted RAM chips between the CPU and the IDE connector (The Samsun chips - looks like K44511638C-UCB3, but I wouldn't bet on it):
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/directron/efikaabove.jpg

Here's the reverse side with the pads for 2 additional chips:
http://www.ppcnux.de/public/efika/efika_bottom.jpg

Great shots. Saved them to a folder. May have an answer before you're home. Thanks.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2011, 01:28:33 AM »
From a posting a Morphzone (i'm currently a long way from my efika)

I am looking at my 2 Efika RAM chips and I see the following part numbers:
SAMSUNG 643
K4H511638C-UCB3
H5116 CMI297CB(


More info about it here http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=2&topic_id=5377 I remember reading some one had tryed putting more memory with no sucess, I think it was somewhere in this thread but its late here end i'm going to read it all ;)

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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2011, 01:47:38 AM »
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"i would count somewhere about 300 active users for os4...

downloads of the alpha release of TimberWolf show over 3x that amount & that doesn't include 4.0 users
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2011, 01:49:17 AM »
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Wow, that IS interesting. That was a pretty straight forward answer (typical of Bill Buck contrary to what many have said about him).

So there might be answer to the problem, if someone can make sense of the firmware.

The hardware doesn't intimidate me. Can anyone let me know what chips the Efika uses. Can I assume the pads on the bottom of the board are the same as the pads the existing memory is soldered to? Are there any gates, buffers, resistors, capacitors or other components that need to be added along with the memory.
I look into the hardware, then all we need is someone who can enable the extra memory via the firmware.

I assume the board will still work OK (as a 128MB board) with the extra memory installed so maybe we ought to explore this.

I appreciated the phone conversation with Bill Buck, no matter what  other people have had problems with him in the past, he was very straight forward  and open with me on the phone.  I am sure he, like almost all other  businessmen, has his dark side, or sometimes does things that others do  not like, but I have no bad history with him or Genesi, so did not  prejudge him in any way.

Somone has already tried to add RAM just be finding matching RAM chips and soldering them to the bottom solder pads.  It didn't work and he ended up removing them.  I would have to re-read his posts to see if it still ran, but only recognized the original 128mb of RAM when he had the additional 128mb soldered to the board.

I am still very interested in having someone solve this problem and figure out how to add at least an additional 128mb of RAM to the Efika, but after the long argument with the Genisi employee who did his best to tell me it was impossible and after getting the straight answer from Bill Buck via phone call, I had given up on this ever happening.  The hard part will be altering the firmware without running into any legal problems.  I have no doubt that finding RAM chips that will work could be done and I also have no doubt that someone could figure out how to re-flash the firmware to recognize additional RAM.  Altering the firmware is prohibited by Genesi, so that is the sticky part.

Since used PPC Mac hardware is so cheap to obtain and the few new Efika boards that are still available are still selling for $99, or more depending on which supplier you can find them from, and the fact that even the slowest supported G4 PowerMac is much faster and has less problems with USB and IDE than the Efika, it does not make much sense for anyone to work on this project.  Since the Efika was my first experience with MorphOS and I already have a license for it, I would love to have the chance to upgrade my own Efika to 256mb, or 512mb of RAM, as I love the small form factor and the extreme low power consumption, but even though I would be willing to pay someone a reasonable amount for a solution to adding RAM to my Efika, there is not much money to be made for anyone who figures out how to solve this problem.  It would be a project just to do for the challenge of doing it, instead of a way to make extra money.  If it can be done and the right RAM chips can be found, I imagine that the solution would also allow people with soldering skills to remove their existing 128mb of RAM and replace it with 256mb on top of the board in it's place and another 256mb on the bottom for a total of 512mb, as altering the firmware to recognize 512mb would be no different than altering it to recognize any other amount of RAM.

So, if anyone wants to take on this project and is not afraid of being sued by Genesi for altering their firmware for the Efika board, please contact me when you have finished and figured it out.  I will be the first one in line to get my Efika board upgraded, as long as it doesn't cost me a fortune to do it.

Edit:  Here is link to a video about Genesi and firmware for their products, including the 5200b Efika board.  I don't know if it has any useful information.  http://www.genesi-usa.com/demo/firmware
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2011, 03:13:15 AM »
The real trick will be figuring out how to alter the firmware.
I wouldn't be particularly worried about patching the firmware.
While some may view this as questionable, as far as I understand it, its completely legal.
Think about it David, when you install a Sonnet upgrade processor card in a Mac you patch the firmware. You know how proprietary Apple can be, but their fine with this. Even modding PS3 or XBOX360 isn't illegal. You can be banned from online services, but you can not be arrested for it.
We don't have to distribute a modified firmware.
We only have to patch it.
This should not involve any legal issues.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2011, 03:15:09 AM »
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What software are you running that requires more than 128MB?
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2011, 03:22:09 AM »
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downloads of the alpha release of TimberWolf show over 3x that amount & that doesn't include 4.0 users


Oh? I downloaded timberwolf too, allthough I only had 4.0. Didn't really read the requirement list fully...
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2011, 03:34:31 AM »
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downloads of the alpha release of TimberWolf show over 3x that amount & that doesn't include 4.0 users

Yeah, well I tried to get that to run under MorphOS.
So not all downloads were even AOS users.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2011, 03:36:52 AM »
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Yeah, well I tried to get that to run under MorphOS.
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huh:confused:..well ok then minus 1 to whatever the figure is now...as for MOS users going to OS4depot.net to get programs well now that's a story for another thread:lol:
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2011, 03:39:05 AM »
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What software are you running that requires more than 128MB?

As I wrote earlier, the Efika with only 128mb RAM runs most MorphOS2.x software pretty well.  There are a few games that require more RAM than the Efika has left after booting, which can be about 80mb to 90mb depending on what you have loading when you boot up, plus when browsing the Internet using any browser, you can run low on RAM if you have too many tabbed pages at the same time.

The most common complaint that people have about the Efika is the lack of more RAM, when in actual use the slow USB1.1 and limited IDE interface/connector that won't allow the use of a cable or two devices, is the two problems that limit the Efika's use the most.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2011, 03:59:16 AM »
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huh:confused:..well ok then minus 1 to whatever the figure is now...as for MOS users going to OS4depot.net to get programs well now that's a story for another thread:lol:

Actually, there are a fair number of AOS4 packages that can be run under MorphOS with a wrapper called OS4Emu. Of course I wasn't really expecting this one to work, but its always fun experimenting.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2011, 04:03:17 AM »
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What software are you running that requires more than 128MB?

What David mentioned about limiting the number of tabs you can have open would drive me up the wall. I currently have about 35 opened.
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Re: Amount of MorphOS copies sold
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Actually, there are a fair number of AOS4 packages that can be run under MorphOS with a wrapper called OS4Emu. Of course I wasn't really expecting this one to work, but its always fun experimenting.

actually that's pretty cool cause I didn't know MOS has an OS4 emulator & heck experimenting is like 85% of the fun I have with my miggies both my classics & NG:)
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