News on the X1000!

[Iggy]

Not quite. I read in Amiga Future that while Hyperion needed more time to work on the software, AEON decided to fix a few small layout problems and offer better functionality and performance. It further mentions that Hyperion got the first five of the rev 2 boards in february of 2011.

So the CPU is out of production and A-eon is still revising the motherboard?

[lsmart]

So the CPU is out of production ... ?

Either it is still in production or Apple has stocked millions of them. But they won´t sell it on the open market.

[actung_bab]

Well one reason for me is the dual core cpu and right amout horsepower to
Play Avis with hardware graphics support the sam baords just dont have enough
Apart from sam 460 .
but for me if going spend x amount of cash l rather spend more money get someting
am going keep for next 8 years . and before say it doesint suport secend cpu it will
The diffrence betwen my p4 and dual core cpu machine made for my nephew
Is quite large does everthing bit better smother l betting be same with x1000
faster ram better cpu chache it all adds up in small important ways, its
how it all works toghter . the sam 460 board is good but . for me l want x1000
just personall choice

[zylesea]

Well one reason for me is the dual core cpu and right amout horsepower to
Play Avis with hardware graphics support the sam baords just dont have enough
Apart from sam 460 .
but for me if going spend x amount of cash l rather spend more money get someting
am going keep for next 8 years . and before say it doesint suport secend cpu it will
The diffrence betwen my p4 and dual core cpu machine made for my nephew
Is quite large does everthing bit better smother l betting be same with x1000
faster ram better cpu chache it all adds up in small important ways, its
how it all works toghter . the sam 460 board is good but . for me l want x1000
just personall choice

Probably your nephew's machine uses an OS with proper SMP support. Something which will be rather unlikely for OS4. Except backwards compability gets thrown overboard.
Best hope is AMP. Not a bad thing per se, but requires the apps to take account of multiprocessing. Probably similarly done like PowerUp by phase5. But only new programs will benefit from multicore then. And - don't get this wrong - IMHO Hyperion were not too fast and successful yet to provide new and working OS functionalities. Providing a good multiprocessing support is messing at deep layers of the OS. I just have serious concerns they are capable of doing it in a sensible timeframe (say 12 months from now) with a decent result (no compabilty flaws, easy to use API).

[magnetic]

Well to take it back to what Piru said early in the thread. This whole X1000 story really does remind me of the "early bird" prgroma of the Teron aka "amiga1" I remember guys in my user group running linux with no OS4 for MONTHS on their boards (and the kernel was old )

My main concern or I guess question is how can you justify needing a board of this power and cost to run OS4? I mean what apps are there to really take advantage of PCI e gfx cards, super fast cpu, ram, etc? The only thing I hear ppl say it will speed up emu but that is daft because you can do it with a dirt cheap x86 pentium iv box and agp card... or better yet get a Real amiga classic.

Where are the new software devlopments? There are virtually none, not even good ports lately.

if X1000 were launched with OS 4.3 with Timberwolf 4 alpha and Open office alpha you would have something.. but a broken Os4 on the board and a half ass ppc linux for that cost is not a good business plan.

[NovaCoder]

if X1000 were launched with OS 4.3 with Timberwolf 4 alpha and Open office alpha you would have something

I'd like the re-phrase that for you if I may...

if X1000 launched with OS 4.3 with Timberwolf 4 BETA and Open office BETA last year you would have something

[DAX]

@Klx300r
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.
Ah well, any publicity is good publicity or as Oscar Wilde said "the only worst thing than being talked about, is...not being talked about" :-)

[magnetic]

Yeah well all the fanboys have nothing to say for a change

[amoskodare]

Nice news!

[Iggy]

Either it is still in production or Apple has stocked millions of them. But they won´t sell it on the open market.

I don't see any proof for either of those suppositions, but Trevor has said that Apple has ceased production.

[klx300r]

@Klx300r
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.
Ah well, any publicity is good publicity or as Oscar Wilde said "the only worst thing than being talked about, is...not being talked about" :-)

ya well let's just say it's a tough crowd at the best of times when any new OS4.x hardware is mentioned around here:)...hey DAX don't forget we used to be only classic users too at one time;)

[zylesea]

@Klx300r
Wow, X1000 related thread with 99% Mos and Classic only people, discussing it.

That makes at 90 posts so far (not considering that many posts are from the same folks) about 0.9 non classic or MorphOS ppl...

[persia]

Apple's priority is the A5 chip that runs iPad 2 and iPhone 5.  They aren't interested in continuing to produce an outdated chip that generates little or no profit.  

Either it is still in production or Apple has stocked millions of them. But they won´t sell it on the open market.

[lsmart]

They aren't interested in continuing to produce an outdated chip that generates little or no profit.

Varisys isn´t the only customer, who is still using that chip, wich is far from outdated if you look beyond the PC and smartphone market. Apple has signed a contract when they bought PA-Semi. AEON won´t sell many X1000s, so Varisys could easily stock a supply that is enough for - say 5 years - enough time to plan for the furure.

[Digiman]

Price is x1000's biggest problem. It needs to be half the current estimate.

We all know it's just an OS4 box, flawed design too, but it may be enough CPU grunt to do really modern things.

[Iggy]

Varisys isn´t the only customer, who is still using that chip, wich is far from outdated if you look beyond the PC and smartphone market. Apple has signed a contract when they bought PA-Semi. AEON won´t sell many X1000s, so Varisys could easily stock a supply that is enough for - say 5 years - enough time to plan for the furure.

No. There is no contract that requires Apple to continue to supply the PA6T.
Apple promised that it would be available till at least 2011 and possibly as long as 2013.
But PA Semi is a fab-less design firm and it appears that production of the processor has ceased.
No one knows how many of these chips remain, but all firm that formerly created hardware with the PA6T (including Varisys) have removed the processor fro their web pages and no longer recommend it for new designs.

And no one has a firm idea of where A-eon obtain their CPUs in the first place as there have been conflicting statements made about this.

Personally, I really like the design of the X10000, so I hope Trevor has a good supply of PA6Ts on hand.